Ban anyone who uses any app that activates Steam Achievements.

[EGGZxOVERxExZ]

Remember when gaming had a little bit of integrity? When you were actually sure of what games people have actually finished or what they have actually accomplished this those games?

At the end of the day, yes, this is just a Video Game platform thus its not THAT important.

HOWEVER. Just like sports, we dont let people cheat in those? So why is it okay to let people cheat in games? Especially when we had achievements with a percentile, indicating how many people have unlocked that achievement. Whats the point if it doesn't matter?

I believe it DOES matter and i for one would like to go back to a time when we would see what achievements someone had unlocked and actually be impressed cause we knew they actually did the thing opposed to just using an app to unlock it so you can flex your completion status in a game you didn't complete. Thus flexing something thats obviously suppose to be impressive and would be if it were legit. Thats why people like the Completionist(Before the scandal of course lol) were so popular cause it was an impressive feat to fully, 100% complete a game like Final Fantasy 7 or even Elden Ring.

And dont get this twisted. This isn't a march on Washington, protesting in front of the white house or anything significant like that. I just believe that PC gaming suffered a HUGE integrity crisis and its a shame to see how many people in the PC gaming space who cheat and yes, using an app to unlock every achievement in a game you have not completed is cheating.

So thats my argument as to why any account should be VAC'ed if proven to be using any software or application that unlocked steam achievements.

[Zefar]

Valve have since the very creation of SAM stated that they do not care. Because it gives no advantage in any game. It affects 0% of the users.
In fact the utter majority do not care about achievements.

Achievements means nothing on Steam except for the tiny crowd that cares about them. It also wouldn't matter how much they'd try to protect them, cheaters would be able to cheat them without a problem.

Those who do care about achievements can easily spot those cheaters because they are all unlocked at once.


This discussion has been had several times and it's always been the same. It just doesn't matter.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Originally posted by EGGZxOVERxExZ:

Ban anyone who uses any app that activates Steam Achievements.

Remember when gaming had a little bit of integrity? When you were actually sure of what games people have actually finished or what they have actually accomplished this those games?

At the end of the day, yes, this is just a Video Game platform thus its not THAT important.

HOWEVER. Just like sports, we dont let people cheat in those? So why is it okay to let people cheat in games? Especially when we had achievements with a percentile, indicating how many people have unlocked that achievement. Whats the point if it doesn't matter?

I believe it DOES matter and i for one would like to go back to a time when we would see what achievements someone had unlocked and actually be impressed cause we knew they actually did the thing opposed to just using an app to unlock it so you can flex your completion status in a game you didn't complete. Thus flexing something thats obviously suppose to be impressive and would be if it were legit. Thats why people like the Completionist(Before the scandal of course lol) were so popular cause it was an impressive feat to fully, 100% complete a game like Final Fantasy 7 or even Elden Ring.

And dont get this twisted. This isn't a march on Washington, protesting in front of the white house or anything significant like that. I just believe that PC gaming suffered a HUGE integrity crisis and its a shame to see how many people in the PC gaming space who cheat and yes, using an app to unlock every achievement in a game you have not completed is cheating.

So thats my argument as to why any account should be VAC'ed if proven to be using any software or application that unlocked steam achievements.

People don't need to use the app to do this. It can all be done in the Steam console.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Achievements literally mean nothing.

[KalGimpa]

cheats used to be posted weekly or monthly in magazines

there were walkthroughs and thick ass books full of them

the "integrity" that people cry about never had anything to do with cheating in single players

and it has nothing to do with achievements

we do not all care about them

i don't

i used sam to clear them until they gave us the way to turn them off

edit:them being the pop ups

[Ben Lubar]

Ban anyone who uses any app that activates Steam Achievements.

So, a game? Ban anyone who plays a game?

[Ethanol]

Nah, no one should be banned for using SAM, such pointless thing to do.

[Squirrel With Acorn]

You really should be suggesting that Valve shut off the method being used to activate achievements with a program like SAM, which just uses Streams console commands to do it. Valve themselves created this function on purpose, so suggesting to ban people for using a function that Valve created themselves isnt reasonable.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Alden Kroll and SAM...

https://steamcommunity.com/groups/AStats#announcements/detail/687197541732549159

[Ben Lubar]

Originally posted by Purple:

You really should be suggesting that Valve shut off the method being used to activate achievements with a program like SAM, which just uses Streams console commands to do it. Valve themselves created this function on purpose, so suggesting to ban people for using a function that Valve created themselves isnt reasonable.

SAM doesn't use Steam console commands. It uses the API that Valve provides to game developers (the Steamworks API) so that they can set up achievements in their games. Banning anyone who uses program that interacts with this API would mean banning anyone who has ever played a game with achievements on Steam.

[Mr. Smiles]

Honey nut cheevos.

Not important enough to be worthy of any kind of ban.

[Spawn of Totoro]

Achievements shouldn't be seen as anything other then personal goals. Anything beyond that, will simply lead to disappointment.

They were a novelty at first, but they have out lived any real usage they may have had, even from an entertainment standpoint.

Only thing I use them for, is to see how people have played a game. If 80% have an achievement for finishing a game, the I can say 80% of the users enjoyed it enough to finish it. If 20% only made it to Act 2, then I know there is a wall of some kind that put people off from making it past that point.

[Ilja]

Right.

Bethesda Game Studios had bright idea of locking achievements for modded games - while developing some of the most modded games in the world. Of course there are solutions to change that, for those who care.

And those who care only care it for themselves. I have never even paid attention to anyone's achievement in any game, let a lone got "impressed" by them. Grand majority of any achievements in games are gameplay milestone or DLC promotion stuff anyway. Gathering them all might be fun game within a game for an individual, but completely irrelevant for others.

And while they have zero effect on anything, I see no reason why no one should care if people enable achievements on their own, or not. Personal account, personal choice, color of underwear has more impact in any situation of ongoing day.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Originally posted by Ilja:

Right.

Bethesda Game Studios had bright idea of locking achievements for modded games - while developing some of the most modded games in the world. Of course there are solutions to change that, for those who care.

And those who care only care it for themselves. I have never even paid attention to anyone's achievement in any game, let a lone got "impressed" by them. Grand majority of any achievements in games are gameplay milestone or DLC promotion stuff anyway. Gathering them all might be fun game within a game for an individual, but completely irrelevant for others.

And while they have zero effect on anything, I see no reason why no one should care if people enable achievements on their own, or not. Personal account, personal choice, color of underwear has more impact in any situation of ongoing day.

Croteam does this too. Enable cheats or mods, achievements are no longer obtainable.

[Ionut Catalin Frasineanu]

Your right. Valve should ban people that use SAM! You have my award for your post, congratulations!

[matt]

Major accomplishments of the generations:
Lost Generation: I fought in World War I.
Greatest Generation: I fought in World War II.
Silent Generation: I invented rock music and computers.
Baby Boomers: I invented the internet and caused social change.
Gen X: I conned Boomers into financing my website and became rich.
Millennials: I got 100% of the achievements in a video game.
Gen Z: I did, too, except I used a website to fake it.