"disrespect" Rule

[Shinoskay]

So, its really cool that you guys are cracking down on disrespectful posts... I'm happy you guys are trying to do something about a problem many people in the forums have been complaining about....

However, once again it seems like you guys took it too extreme.

Naturally, I found out because I recently got dinged and a 1 day ban for it.

Tried talking to support but do not feel I have been adequately heard.

the post I made was a bit of a light hearted jest but using facts from how market conditioning works and it was deemed disrespectful and removed.

And while, yes, this probably means I'm looking at the new crack down with some bias... I've been one of the biggest advocates for a more civil, kind, forum and so when I say this crack down seems to harsh I say it also as someone who wants a more respectful forum.

[niralamart000]

lol I got banned over sussy baka, it's just gonna get worse from here dude. However if you want to make a suggestion then suggest something like the ability to allow free discussion option, those who have enabled this option can talk to each other without the need of moderation. From my perspective I'm heavily disrespected by these bans which are over normal everyday stuff in my country.

[76561199586159139]

This is what you get when you listen to superficial wokies. This kindergarten nazi culture where everyone reports each other more than they post. It is more disrespectful than anything else, but at least the scary words are gone!

[Boblin the Goblin]

What's the suggestion?

[Satoru]

Stop breaking the rules

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4045-USHJ-3810

All your “problems” go away. Also stop characterizing your behavior as “light hearted” when it’s obviously not that, at all

[William Shakesman]

Litigating bans is forbidden on the Steam forums. Just delete the thread. You cannot win this argument.

Publicado originalmente por Satoru:

Stop breaking the rules

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4045-USHJ-3810

All your “problems” go away. Also stop characterizing your behavior as “light hearted” when it’s obviously not that, at all

Person who hasn't read the ban says "Obviously" lol

[mldb88]

Since moderation runs more based on reports now, it’s likely either the comment might not have been taken as lighthearted as you thought, or it got reported for some other reason. If the post broke the rules or guidelines in a vacuum with no other context, then there you go.

Honestly preferred the days of the volunteer mods who were both actually generally active users and did more than just work off a glorified Checklist but this is where we are now. It’s not perfect by any means, but it’s what we’ve got until Valve decides to change their moderation structure.

[nullable]

Sometimes when you get moderated it's not because of failing of moderation. Mistakes do happen, but sometimes users shoot their mouths off and moderation is appropriate regardless of how respectful all their other posts are.

[Orim]

Please also remember that one has to CHOOSE to be offended, rather than simply note a difference in perspective.

[76561199648916059]

From what I have seen steams rogue moderators use "disrespectful post" as a reason to issue false bans/prejudice moderation. In the past I seen this type of ban excuse used by a moderator that suspiciously seemed to be posting as a user.

Most likely you ran into a shill steam account that has moderation privilege. They will lie to your face and tell you moderators and steam support don't use the forum, but they aren't very convincing considering how inappropriate the ban offensive often is when dealing with some of the trollish posters that frequent these forums.

Solution is to just identify the person you got banned for disrespecting and make a mental note that they are a steam shill, in the future to out of your way to identify all of them, they roam in packs, often 3 or 4 steam employees are hovering around the forum at a time, it's how they mob rule over people and attack topics.

Learn your forum

[Shinoskay]

Publicado originalmente por william.avery.robinson:

Please also remember that one has to CHOOSE to be offended, rather than simply note a difference in perspective.

no, there is offensive and then there is offended.

I can choose to not be offended... but that doesnt change whether a post is offensive or not. We can science these things.

Publicado originalmente por William Shakesman:

Litigating bans is forbidden on the Steam forums. Just delete the thread. You cannot win this argument.

Publicado originalmente por Satoru:

Stop breaking the rules

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4045-USHJ-3810

All your “problems” go away. Also stop characterizing your behavior as “light hearted” when it’s obviously not that, at all

Person who hasn't read the ban says "Obviously" lol

thank you

Publicado originalmente por GRONF:

This is what you get when you listen to superficial wokies. This kindergarten nazi culture where everyone reports each other more than they post. It is more disrespectful than anything else, but at least the scary words are gone!

no... this is not a place, a call to arms, for such radical speech. please do not mouth froth like this in my threads.
I sometimes make call to arm posts about certain things... feel free to join those and mouth froth then. Just not this time.

Publicado originalmente por niralamart000:

lol I got banned over sussy baka, it's just gonna get worse from here dude. However if you want to make a suggestion then suggest something like the ability to allow free discussion option, those who have enabled this option can talk to each other without the need of moderation. From my perspective I'm heavily disrespected by these bans which are over normal everyday stuff in my country.

not a bad suggestion, but it remains that, as said above, some things are indeed offensive. I would rather people be respectful inherently but there are just some people who arent (and some people who cant, lack of impulse control is a real disability... I wouldnt want them to be permenantly silenced but I also dont want to see every loli murder torture gif (I knew a guy once, somehow EVERYONE ELSE was ok with them, not even higurashi style either... i mean blood c demon rabbits scene brutal stuff... to lolis) or yiffer freak *orn they feel like posting either.

some people really do need help filtering (sometimes I probably do too).

but I dont like arbitrary rules either... i want a clear outline and threshold... and I want it to be reasonable and organic.

[Shinoskay]

fine example.

Publicado originalmente por Shaggoth (Ищезаяц):

Publicado originalmente por Shinoskay:

some games do this... thus showing it is a game UI thing and not a steam UI thing

thats why we want OPTION to turn it on in some games

OPTION OPTION OPTION OPTION
OPTION you get the idea? OPTION
OPTION OPTION OPTION OPTION

this seems kind of unhinged and rude/disrespectful to me... perhaps I could report it but then its so.... irrelevant... to me that I dont see a point. great, they are spazzing about an option that I just said was a UI feature games control.

maybe they thought it was funny to say it that way... maybe they have a lot of bad history with it some how... who knows.

Publicado originalmente por Sushi_Rocks:

Publicado originalmente por Shinoskay:

some games do this... thus showing it is a game UI thing and not a steam UI thing

Room temperature IQ answer right there. :hammerheadsnark:

where as this id be more inclined to get upset about.
like, why the ♥♥♥♥ would you attack my IQ.... I'm CLINICALLY proven to be intelligent and yet something so many people try to attack is my IQ and it really ticks me off. nevermind its just such an unneccessary, AND OFF TOPIC, comment to make. my IQ has nothing to do with the discussion... has nothing to do with the suggestion... and you could have not attacked my iq and nothing would change with the discussion en large.

maybe if they explained how steam could implement such a feature... (I think itd make memory leak even worse if steam tried to super impose its overlay permentantly as oppose to just when we shift tab, so theyd have to explain how to handle this of course) but they didnt even do that.

[yankees992007]

Publicado originalmente por Shinoskay:

fine example.

Publicado originalmente por Shaggoth (Ищезаяц):

thats why we want OPTION to turn it on in some games

OPTION OPTION OPTION OPTION
OPTION you get the idea? OPTION
OPTION OPTION OPTION OPTION

this seems kind of unhinged and rude/disrespectful to me... perhaps I could report it but then its so.... irrelevant... to me that I dont see a point. great, they are spazzing about an option that I just said was a UI feature games control.

maybe they thought it was funny to say it that way... maybe they have a lot of bad history with it some how... who knows.

Publicado originalmente por Sushi_Rocks:

Room temperature IQ answer right there. :hammerheadsnark:

where as this id be more inclined to get upset about.
like, why the ♥♥♥♥ would you attack my IQ.... I'm CLINICALLY proven to be intelligent and yet something so many people try to attack is my IQ and it really ticks me off. nevermind its just such an unneccessary, AND OFF TOPIC, comment to make. my IQ has nothing to do with the discussion... has nothing to do with the suggestion... and you could have not attacked my iq and nothing would change with the discussion en large.

maybe if they explained how steam could implement such a feature... (I think itd make memory leak even worse if steam tried to super impose its overlay permentantly as oppose to just when we shift tab, so theyd have to explain how to handle this of course) but they didnt even do that.

The thing is, there are 2 types of IQ. Street smarts or book smarts. While you may be the latter, most of us are street smarts and can see through the bs.

In other words when one says about "intelligent IQ" usually associated of being a troll and laughed at.

[Mad Scientist]

Publicado originalmente por Shinoskay:

Publicado originalmente por Sushi_Rocks:

Room temperature IQ answer right there. :hammerheadsnark:

where as this id be more inclined to get upset about.
like, why the ♥♥♥♥ would you attack my IQ.... I'm CLINICALLY proven to be intelligent and yet something so many people try to attack is my IQ and it really ticks me off. nevermind its just such an unneccessary, AND OFF TOPIC, comment to make. my IQ has nothing to do with the discussion... has nothing to do with the suggestion... and you could have not attacked my iq and nothing would change with the discussion en large.

Except on the internet anyone can claim anything. Individuals of such persuasion have nothing to prove; demonstrations of such, not assertions give the impression of where someone may be on such a scale.

If something is meant to get an emotional response, replying with that also doesn't help such an assertion. Regardless, thats not really relevant to the subject.
Speaking of the subject;

I can agree that the moderators decision could easily be applied to specific posts and be accurate, since past historical context often "play the man and not the ball" in a manner that certainly fits their decision.
Do note that bear poking or trying to jab at people personally for merely disagreeing tends to go very poorly. Thus, civil replies are better, trying to "get back at" with jabs can easily get people correctly hit by moderators.

So in cases like this, even without seeing the moderators message, being aware of applicable context it comes down to "play the ball not the man" and being civil, not personal, to not get continually correctly moderated.

[Shinoskay]

Publicado originalmente por yankees992007:

Publicado originalmente por Shinoskay:

fine example.



this seems kind of unhinged and rude/disrespectful to me... perhaps I could report it but then its so.... irrelevant... to me that I dont see a point. great, they are spazzing about an option that I just said was a UI feature games control.

maybe they thought it was funny to say it that way... maybe they have a lot of bad history with it some how... who knows.



where as this id be more inclined to get upset about.
like, why the ♥♥♥♥ would you attack my IQ.... I'm CLINICALLY proven to be intelligent and yet something so many people try to attack is my IQ and it really ticks me off. nevermind its just such an unneccessary, AND OFF TOPIC, comment to make. my IQ has nothing to do with the discussion... has nothing to do with the suggestion... and you could have not attacked my iq and nothing would change with the discussion en large.

maybe if they explained how steam could implement such a feature... (I think itd make memory leak even worse if steam tried to super impose its overlay permentantly as oppose to just when we shift tab, so theyd have to explain how to handle this of course) but they didnt even do that.

The thing is, there are 2 types of IQ. Street smarts or book smarts. While you may be the latter, most of us are street smarts and can see through the bs.

In other words when one says about "intelligent IQ" usually associated of being a troll and laughed at.

good thing I've got both, grew on the streets and tested high in the books.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Publicado originalmente por Shinoskay:

Publicado originalmente por yankees992007:

The thing is, there are 2 types of IQ. Street smarts or book smarts. While you may be the latter, most of us are street smarts and can see through the bs.

In other words when one says about "intelligent IQ" usually associated of being a troll and laughed at.

good thing I've got both, grew on the streets and tested high in the books.

The thing about IQ.

It isn't really useful outside of school. There also isn't one type of IQ.