put a note at the top of every thread to ONLY reply to people who are relevant, constructive, and polite

[Psymon²]

very sad that a section of the guidelines was removed:

please make sure you are being relevant, constructive and polite

manged to dig that up using the "way back machine"

so, what better way to minimise the chance of people taking the bait of trolls, than to provide a constant and prominent reminder.

suggestion: put a clear, short, concise reminder somewhere, on every thread, that people should ONLY respond to messages that are relevant, constructive, and polite.

edit: oh snap, they removed "polite"

Make sure that contributions are relevant and constructive.

so technically you can be relevant, constructive, but rude?! hahaha, wtf valve?!
why remove "polite"?!?!
why not say "kind"!?
bruh?

[Boblin the Goblin]

Would this apply to threads that are solely created to stalk and document a user's posts on the forums?

[13119205187913161]

if you completely ignore this part

Be respectful of yourself and other players
Interactions with other players should not be abusive, disparaging, or inflammatory, nor create an environment that is unwelcoming.

Examples of disrespectful content include:
Insults or harassment
Threats or encouragement of harm
Trolling or baiting arguments
Discrimination
Bypassing word or content filters
Public accusations towards others

sure?

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by Psymon²:

very sad that a section of the guidelines was removed:

please make sure you are being relevant, constructive and polite

manged to dig that up using the "way back machine"

so, what better way to minimise the chance of people taking the bait of trolls, than to provide a constant and prominent reminder.

suggestion: put a clear, short, concise reminder somewhere, on every thread, that people should ONLY respond to messages that are relevant, constructive, and polite.

edit: oh snap, they removed "polite"

Make sure that contributions are relevant and constructive.

so technically you can be relevant, constructive, but rude?! hahaha, wtf valve?!
why remove "polite"?!?!
why not say "kind"!?
bruh?

Because 'polite' and 'kind' are extremely subjective.

There are people who literally think that people being direct or not sympathizing with them makes them 'psychopaths'.

[Zarineth]

People get warnings whenever they try to trade items to people outside their friendlist and still get scammed. They see warnings about library sharing or phone linking and are still complaining about bans they receive. I don't think additional reminder in this case would achieve much.

[Tito Shivan]

Originally posted by Psymon²:

so, what better way to minimise the chance of people taking the bait of trolls, than to provide a constant and prominent reminder

History tells us the more constant and prominent a warning is, the easier is for people to ignore.

Cue to al the warnings people face at the trade window which people still ignore.

[Elucidator]

The problem with politeness is that it is relative.
Everything I say is risky, as it is unfortunately often coming across as rude or insulting due to cultural direct communication vs English indirect communication issues.

What in brittain is seen as polite, for example "Loved having you here. You should come over for dinner!"
even though they don't want to see them again, is considered rude over here due to its dishonesty.
Every appeal placed in the sentences, such as "please" or "could I beg a part of your time with a selfish question?", like.. we see that as manipulation tactics, trying to hide stuff, trying to come across in a way that ensures an answer they want to hear, instead of being honest about what they want and how they feel, etc.

It also makes no sense to us.
"Could you please tell me where the post office is?"
The answer to that is either yes or no, nothing more here. Don't hope for an answer that you seek if you don't actually ask the question.

In fact, over here we'd just say "Where's the post office?"
if you do that in the UK, you'll come across as rude.

Like, idk how that works, I mean, if you say "You tell me where the post office is", isn't that more rude? How is a single word before it or after it fixing that?
meh-

The point I am trying to show here is that rudeness and politeness can be vastly different per region on the world and people may not be able to conform to one standard because they don't understand it properly. This is an example of that.

[Psymon²]

Originally posted by Elucidator:

The problem with politeness is that it is relative.
Everything I say is risky, as it is unfortunately often coming across as rude or insulting due to cultural direct communication vs English indirect communication issues.

What in brittain is seen as polite, for example "Loved having you here. You should come over for dinner!"
even though they don't want to see them again, is considered rude over here due to its dishonesty.
Every appeal placed in the sentences, such as "please" or "could I beg a part of your time with a selfish question?", like.. we see that as manipulation tactics, trying to hide stuff, trying to come across in a way that ensures an answer they want to hear, instead of being honest about what they want and how they feel, etc.

It also makes no sense to us.
"Could you please tell me where the post office is?"
The answer to that is either yes or no, nothing more here. Don't hope for an answer that you seek if you don't actually ask the question.

In fact, over here we'd just say "Where's the post office?"
if you do that in the UK, you'll come across as rude.

Like, idk how that works, I mean, if you say "You tell me where the post office is", isn't that more rude? How is a single word before it or after it fixing that?
meh-

the point of this message IS meant to be subjective.

if the person reading a reply decides for themselves it is not constructive, or not relevant, or not kind/polite, then THEY will be reminded "just don't reply".

the net effect is, the people who are more likely to be unconstructive, or irrelevant, or unkind/impolite, will be replied to less.

[Brian9824]

There is already a message here - https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/

Do not start flame wars! If someone has engaged in behavior that is detrimental to the discussion -- spamming, harassment, etc -- report the post and we'll take a look.

I mean the rules already state everything you need to know, if you need a reminder then you should take a few minutes to familiarize yourself with the rules for using the forum

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by Elucidator:

The problem with politeness is that it is relative.
Everything I say is risky, as it is unfortunately often coming across as rude or insulting due to cultural direct communication vs English indirect communication issues.

What in brittain is seen as polite, for example "Loved having you here. You should come over for dinner!"
even though they don't want to see them again, is considered rude over here due to its dishonesty.
Every appeal placed in the sentences, such as "please" or "could I beg a part of your time with a selfish question?", like.. we see that as manipulation tactics, trying to hide stuff, trying to come across in a way that ensures an answer they want to hear, instead of being honest about what they want and how they feel, etc.

It also makes no sense to us.
"Could you please tell me where the post office is?"
The answer to that is either yes or no, nothing more here. Don't hope for an answer that you seek if you don't actually ask the question.

In fact, over here we'd just say "Where's the post office?"
if you do that in the UK, you'll come across as rude.

Like, idk how that works, I mean, if you say "You tell me where the post office is", isn't that more rude? How is a single word before it or after it fixing that?
meh-

The point I am trying to show here is that rudeness and politeness can be vastly different per region on the world and people may not be able to conform to one standard because they don't understand it properly. This is an example of that.

He knows this problem. As OP has stated before, he assumes any reply from someone he's blocked is harassment towards him and non constructive.

Considering you and I said the same thing, he shows a completely why they removed the rules he's highlighting.

[davidb11]

Why in the world are you asking for more clutter?
Yeah, it would be great to stop the trolls, but then no one would pay attention to you. :P

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by Psymon²:

very sad that a section of the guidelines was removed:

please make sure you are being relevant, constructive and polite

manged to dig that up using the "way back machine"

so, what better way to minimise the chance of people taking the bait of trolls, than to provide a constant and prominent reminder.

And you really think anyone would read that?

%Those that would read it, already apply this rule.

suggestion: put a clear, short, concise reminder somewhere, on every thread, that people should ONLY respond to messages that are relevant, constructive, and polite.

Originally posted by Psymon²:

edit: oh snap, they removed "polite"

Make sure that contributions are relevant and constructive.

so technically you can be relevant, constructive, but rude?! hahaha, wtf valve?!
why remove "polite"?!?!
why not say "kind"!?
bruh?

Maybe because they expect you to be poolite as a given. YOu know like how people expect you to wear clothes when at the mall.

[The Presence]

Won't have the result you think it will.

[The Commendatore]

And who puts that list at the top?

A neutral party?
The OP?

If it's the latter, sounds like anothet way to target users.

Pass.

[Garou]

In one of your threads I offered you exactly this way of forum lurking:
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/3595590330320829237/?ctp=3

"it is best to just post your comment and resist confronting people with opposing views. Unless, of course, you have patience and motivation to keep it clean."
There's a few other replies with the same general message if anyone is interested in checking page 3.

Your replies were to completely disagree with that idea.

Maybe you changed your mind after a week

[Brian9824]

If anything they should display if a user has been recently banned in the last 3 months or so, and warn you about engaging with them. Far more useful, and would only impact a very small number of users as most don't get banned.

I mean they do keep the cheaters and vac ban on the profile for years, so it could be reasonable to keep a recently banned warning for a few months.