Achievement System!

[Rich094]

Sorry if there has been posts about this before but I really really want (and I might not be the only one) the achievement system to change, I'd like to have a feeling of being rewarded when I achieve something in game wether it's difficult or not, I'd like to hear a cool sound when it pops up, also change the way it's popping up, a fancier way maybe on the side of the screen?

Also please do something about SAM, it kills the achievement hunters and the feeling of being rewarded, at this point people don't bother to finish a game at 100%, I can understand people that uses SAM to lock achievements to replay the game again but not the ones who are unlocking them without working on it, it might be against the rules, I may have a solution for the people who wants to lock their achievement to replay a game from scratch and the solution is to impliment another system on steam, a system that would let the users choose if they want to lock their achievements or not (if they already got it in the past).

This would fix a lot of things, there might be a way to make steam client-sided against SAM. And if this could work there might be so many cool things we could do with steam from there.

[BaBa...YaGa]

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[Black Blade]

I am pretty sure I heard some games have something that blocks SAM but most just don't seem to use it

Overall however I think achievements should be for the user himself, not something they should compere with

I will also say to be honest I have used SAM in the past, to unlock achievements that were impossible (The servers shut down and did not want that to affect my stats forever when I can't ever play it again), and when the game was just broken and it did not work (Try much more than once to make sure it was really broken)

About sound and that I think it may be nice

[nullable]

引用自 RichWasHere：

Sorry if there has been posts about this before but I really really want (and I might not be the only one) the achievement system to change, I'd like to have a feeling of being rewarded when I achieve something in game wether it's difficult or not, I'd like to hear a cool sound when it pops up, also change the way it's popping up, a fancier way maybe on the side of the screen?

Sure, there's a bunch of ways that this could be implemented. Although everyone will have competing opinions, so good luck.

引用自 RichWasHere：

Also please do something about SAM, it kills the achievement hunters and the feeling of being rewarded, at this point people don't bother to finish a game at 100%,

Because of SAM? People who use SAM aren't hurting you in any way. If your enjoyment of achievements, is dependent on trying to control other people's accounts, well it's just a recipe for unhappiness and you're gonna want to work on getting over it.

引用自 RichWasHere：

I can understand people that uses SAM to lock achievements to replay the game again but not the ones who are unlocking them without working on it, it might be against the rules,

No one cares, otherwise the achievement API would be designed with security in mind to prevent user manipulation. It's not like cheating didn't exist 13 years ago... it's just not important when it comes to achievements.

引用自 RichWasHere：

I may have a solution for the people who wants to lock their achievement to replay a game from scratch and the solution is to impliment another system on steam, a system that would let the users choose if they want to lock their achievements or not (if they already got it in the past).

This would fix a lot of things, there might be a way to make steam client-sided against SAM. And if this could work there might be so many cool things we could do with steam from there.

Nothing is stopping people from cheating in single player games and getting lots of achievements that would be hard to get normally. Or using cheats especially designed to fill the conditions of achievements from within the game. You can't stop people from cheating, and you should only try when it actually harms other people. Cheating at achievements is harmless, inventing reasons to justify you not liking it doesn't create harm.

You're free to play games how you want and earn all the achievements you want. Trying to argue other people fiddling with their achievements harms you in anyway is weapons grade bolognium.

[Night]

Very Good! The achivement need some upgrade.

[Start_Running]

So basically you want a reward, for getting awards. And then I suppose you'll want awards for getting the awards you got for getting awards.
How about we just side sep tha rabbit hole.


As for SAM... that it matters to you how someone else got their cheevos kinda shows you have a rather toxic view of cheevos. Besides. Devs can already appkly penalties for this if they so choose.

[Crazy Tiger]

引用自 RichWasHere：

I'd like to hear a cool sound when it pops up, also change the way it's popping up, a fancier way maybe on the side of the screen?

Can it be turned off? If yes, sure. If not, hell no.

引用自 RichWasHere：

at this point people don't bother to finish a game at 100%,

Has it occured to you that this is because people simply don't want to bother about 100% games?

引用自 RichWasHere：

a system that would let the users choose if they want to lock their achievements or not (if they already got it in the past).

Developers have the option to provide a reset. Most don't and in my opinion that is because most develoeprs don't actually care about achievements. They simply tack them on as "it's expected".

引用自 RichWasHere：

This would fix a lot of things, there might be a way to make steam client-sided against SAM.

Actually, SAM works client-sided. To battle SAM, it would mean making all achievements server-sided. I thought there were some devs who already do this.

[☄️⁧⁧Sneakydude555]

Pretty sad that people are defending a achievement tool that can thanos snaps every achievement for you. Especially CSGO kids. At that point you're not EVEN playing the game.

[Rich094]

引用自 Mr. Tenma：

:Nepgear:Pretty sad that people are defending a achievement tool that can thanos snaps every achievement for you. Especially CSGO kids. At that point you're not EVEN playing the game.

Exactly, that's why I don't bother arguing with them, I mean why do we have an achievement system then? What's the point if EVERYONE can just 100% the game without even playing it a second ! I guess everyone has an opinion and I do accept it the best I can, but defending a third party program ? No thanks

[Start_Running]

引用自 Mr. Tenma：

:Nepgear:Pretty sad that people are defending a achievement tool that can thanos snaps every achievement for you. Especially CSGO kids. At that point you're not EVEN playing the game.

Whats even more sad is people being concerned with how someone else got atn achievemen. TThe only hing that should matter is how YOU achieve it. If the idea soemone else achieving it ina different way makes it less appealing to you then sorry m8, you're in the wrong hobby. God Mode, built in cheats. Glitches, Exploits. Level editing. Save editing, Save transfers. There have always been tonnes of ways for lateral thinkers to to get achievements.

Many ways to skin a cat.
And for the most part, devs already have tools and the ability to punish those who do things like that if they so choose. Unsurprisingly, most don't give a ♥♥♥♥♥.

[Brian9824]

引用自 Mr. Tenma：

:Nepgear:Pretty sad that people are defending a achievement tool that can thanos snaps every achievement for you. Especially CSGO kids. At that point you're not EVEN playing the game.

It's more like most people don't care if others cheat their achievements anymore then if they cheat on a cosmetic game.

Someone else's achievements have no impact on you, so why do you care?

[nullable]

引用自 Mr. Tenma：

:Nepgear:Pretty sad that people are defending a achievement tool that can thanos snaps every achievement for you. Especially CSGO kids. At that point you're not EVEN playing the game.

Believing it's a non-issue, and doesn't hurt anyone, isn't really a defense of the activity itself. It's so inconsequential people have to make up pretty bogus reasons why it needs to be addressed after all. Other people not sharing the least bit concern over what is really just an extension of cheating in single player games can't seriously be cast as damning.

[Rich094]

引用自 Start_Running：

引用自 Mr. Tenma：

:Nepgear:Pretty sad that people are defending a achievement tool that can thanos snaps every achievement for you. Especially CSGO kids. At that point you're not EVEN playing the game.

Whats even more sad is people being concerned with how someone else got atn achievemen. TThe only hing that should matter is how YOU achieve it. If the idea soemone else achieving it ina different way makes it less appealing to you then sorry m8, you're in the wrong hobby. God Mode, built in cheats. Glitches, Exploits. Level editing. Save editing, Save transfers. There have always been tonnes of ways for lateral thinkers to to get achievements.

Many ways to skin a cat.
And for the most part, devs already have tools and the ability to punish those who do things like that if they so choose. Unsurprisingly, most don't give a ♥♥♥♥♥.

If you can just cheat achievements on steam without being punished, why can't we hack achievements in world of warcraft at this point? Cause it's a system that's relevant and you show others what you've done, it gives a reason to show off others what you got, and this is beside my point, what I mean here is why do we have achievements on steam if it's going to be THIS useless??

[Brian9824]

引用自 RichWasHere：

引用自 Start_Running：

Whats even more sad is people being concerned with how someone else got atn achievemen. TThe only hing that should matter is how YOU achieve it. If the idea soemone else achieving it ina different way makes it less appealing to you then sorry m8, you're in the wrong hobby. God Mode, built in cheats. Glitches, Exploits. Level editing. Save editing, Save transfers. There have always been tonnes of ways for lateral thinkers to to get achievements.

Many ways to skin a cat.
And for the most part, devs already have tools and the ability to punish those who do things like that if they so choose. Unsurprisingly, most don't give a ♥♥♥♥♥.

If you can just cheat achievements on steam without being punished, why can't we hack achievements in world of warcraft at this point? Cause it's a system that's relevant and you show others what you've done, it gives a reason to show off others what you got, and this is beside my point, what I mean here is why do we have achievements on steam if it's going to be THIS useless??

Your comparing two totally different things. World of Warcraft is a MMO and all the actions take place on their server.

With Steam achievements are unlocked on your computer and can be unlocked in offline mode, then when re-connecting the games tell steam what achievements were unlocked. Completely different systems, completely different architectures, and none of it also changes the fact that the achievements serve no purpose.

You change the achievement system then that means people can be screwed if they ever play offline.

Personally i'd be perfectly fine if they removed all achievements.

[cinedine]

引用自 Start_Running：

So basically you want a reward, for getting awards. And then I suppose you'll want awards for getting the awards you got for getting awards.
How about we just side sep tha rabbit hole.

This is an argument I hate with a passion. Do you read? Nobody says anything about getting an extra reward. It's about feeling rewarded when you get that reward.
Steam just gives you the achievement. Here you go. It's like your boss throwing a cookie from the open cookie jar to you for saving the project. While Harriet in the next cubicle munches away on the dozen she got from the jar before.

Gamification is a real thing. Even the bloody NSA used an achievement/score system in training analysts.
Salesforce uses an achievement system for their learning platform and you get a reward for completing certain modules. A voucher for certification, which is a cool USD 200.
So get that: I get a reward for getting rewards for something I get paid for.

[Start_Running]

引用自 cinedine：

引用自 Start_Running：

So basically you want a reward, for getting awards. And then I suppose you'll want awards for getting the awards you got for getting awards.
How about we just side sep tha rabbit hole.

This is an argument I hate with a passion. Do you read? Nobody says anything about getting an extra reward. It's about feeling rewarded when you get that reward.

And when you can illustrate the difference between the two.

He wants something extra for getting an achievement. He wants more fan fare, splash. He wants more reward for getting the reward. The point stands.

Steam just gives you the achievement. Here you go. It's like your boss throwing a cookie from the open cookie jar to you for saving the project. While Harriet in the next cubicle munches away on the dozen she got from the jar before.

And Harriet must have done astoundingly fab to get them cookies. The thrill you feel for a reward is directly related to the effort or difficulty.


This is why beating the par time on a doom stage on easy with godmode and all weapons is slightly less fulfilling that doing the same on a pacifist run on ultraviolence.

Gamification is a real thing. Even the bloody NSA used an achievement/score system in training analysts.

Yes and thats what cheevos are. and keep in mind were talking about the gamification, of the gamification of GAMEs.

Salesforce uses an achievement system for their learning platform and you get a reward for completing certain modules. A voucher for certification, which is a cool USD 200.
So get that: I get a reward for getting rewards for something I get paid for.

Lucky you. And there are people who get paid to have sex repeatedly with beautiful people. Repeatedly.