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IP ban is a really bad idea, because often a thousand people can be sharing an IP address and also because some people are assigned their IP address dynamically - my ISP does this, a lot of ISPs do, which means if you ban a dynamic IP, one person stops using it and another person starts using it, I've been a victim of idiot websites banning IPs - I did nothing wrong, the previous user of the IP did something wrong.
How do you punish a person that disappears and you never knew who they were in the 1st place?
Idea 2: return skins, I agree, if they can confirm the scam then they should reverse the trade.
"can and does valve ban the account"
Can't answer this definitively but I expect they do, I'd be very very surprised if they didn't.
It makes little difference, scammers would create a new account regardless.
The problem is that buy the time Valve gets the report and can get someone to investigate, the item is long since gone. A scammer with more than two brain cells isn't going to scam on his main account. He'll create a shell account, then as soon as the trade happens he will move the items through other shell accounts until they are traded to unsuspecting players, or dumped on the market for cash that is used to purchase other things that may eventually make their way back to the scammers main account.
To return the items would involve undoing dozens of transactions and take the items from innocent players who had no idea the items they bought or traded for were part of a scam. Would it really be fair to them to take something away and return it to someone who lost it due to their own greed or carelessness.
If you don't want to get scammed, conduct all trades within a single trade window. Period.
So if it was up to me. I would ban every single account you move the skins to and from. There is a trade history for a reason.
for instance ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ caches skins. So you can say you have fnew and will show you fnew. Inspect = fnew when received it can be nothing or an item that is not the same float value as stated :) now thats just 1 example...
Anyhow I think if you willingly scam you should be procecuted to the extent of being sent to court why not ? you did commit fraud and as such are breaking a very strict law....
EDIT : Yeah even as a minor I would give you the max sentence so 10k euros your familly has to pay if you cannot and 3 months in jail (be it for minors or for adults).
It is quite odd that something with monetary value being stolen isnt punishable in any way.
Also, if it is quite as you say it is, scamming is a VERY affordable and profitable busines. Why bother buying stuff trading etc when you can simply scam scam scam get a lucky hit move it all and you are safe.
Who cares for one steam account if you can win a couple of high priced skins ?
Trading and gambling sites work because Valve doesn't stop certain accounts from receiving huge numbers of gifts = obvious external site.
Would Valve profit less if these sites were blocked?
Altough having the sites out of the equation would make everyone trade and buy only via steam.
And the subject is scams. Some of which do in fact have a website in their center...but thats like clicking you are a winner....
Anyhow, they seem to really do quite little in regards to this.
You can even check history of skin trades on any skin via csgoexchage
So they can see it too.Especially since they do own the game where you exchange items on.
So, do they ban the 3rd party account that receives all the scammed goods ?
If valve thinks an account is just there to scam then I expect they close it. If you want 100% answer then ask valve. This is a suggestions forum, not an ask valve questions forum, valve do not answer here.
Child idiot whatever they may be, they do willingly and knowingly steal someoene elses property.
It is as simple as that. "wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain." would be the definition of fraud. And it applies fully on these scammers we have in our comunity.
Outside of steam, most criminal fraud offenses are considered felony crimes and are punishable by jail, fines, probation, or all of the above.
Civil penalties may include restitution (paying the person back) - THIS is my main suggestion...as only punishing them gives nothing to you who are a victim.
And or payment of substantial fines (geared to punish the behavior). - This they do to some extent by shutting down those accounts however those are throwaway accounts in most casses anyhow.
The penalties for the offense should still depend on the nature, type, scope, and severity of the action and whether it was committed by an individual or a group.
As sometimes they act with a few friends.
Why not simply take the items from them back to the victim, and permaban every and all accounts they may have registered to their email mobile phone number and or used by them in the last month.
THAT in my opinion would be sufficient enough as you would compensate the party that was wronged.
However, there is the belief skin values would drop.
Now, having those locked down in a account that can never again have a trade or sale means that those skins are forever lost does it not ?
So in what way would recompensating be a thing that diminishes the value of skins ?
I am writting in this forum as it is the suggestions forum. Hopefully you understand my suggestion. If not, feel free to ask more and to add your own criticism thoughts ideas concerns etc whatever you may have.
The reasoning behind this suggestion is the fact that in the past 3 months I have had at least 100+ scammers add me send me offers invites to groups invites to their chat where 2+ people try to convince you to go on a fake website (fishing is also punishable by law outside of steam....I would know I work as a network engineer security is what I do...so I often find cases where people are punished by the law due to such websites).
Sorry for the long post :)
"You're on a game hub, you see a good trade, you do it. BAM! Your account is now banned because the person you traded with just stole it 2 days ago."
"I steal your account, I scam with it. Bye account!"
There are numerous reasons why a zero tolerance policy will harm innocent users, while none of such measures will harm scammers. Accounts are a tool to them. Their payout is real world money through paypal, and sites that resell keys and gifts. They don't care about the accounts, the inventories or the items. They're a means to an end. Most of the accounts used in scams are stolen, or created and expected to be lost.
The values involved are often too low to deal with through international laws and police forces, if you get them to accept that the value of a virtual knife is $40 in the first place.
It sucks that they're getting away with, but it'll take time for local and international laws to get procedures in place to deal with petty theft on an international scale.
They wont stop untill there is no one to hit ? :D
Please, understand I do not say only restitution fine if they wont return items so be it, but make the punishments more strict so people are less inclined to do the crime in the first place.
Also there is this fine option of seeing the history of trades. The first account the skins are moved to as a gift I am certain does not seem legit now does it ?
If you scam for 10 euros you get punished by law. AND have to return them or work till you can afford to return them :)
it has a monetary value sticked on it. Just as any other thing you can buy, the value is there and can be proven therefore it isnt such a hassle to prove a value of a knife skin whatever.
Stolen - how do you steal an account with an authenticator and email address ? you would need their email access to their phone etc.
EDIT : So far what this thread is telling me is this : Scamming on steam is a profitable safe ez to do thing that you can get away with none or minimal losses...no wonder there is so many of them..
EDIT2: it takes up to 12h to get banned on steam rep. Seems they have a much more efficient company than valve or steam do ? :)
That really depends on the size of the crime, wanting to send someone to jail for stealing an item with a value of a bar of chocolate is nasty over-the-top vindictiveness and in my mind the person wanting that is as bad or even worse than the actual thief.
Steam can't punish scammers because they don't know who they are, I said that already. Scammers close their account and make or steal another one. Steam can't stop them from doing this without massively inconveniencing everybody else, they don't want to do that because they'd lose customers.
You could introduce the death sentence for scamming and still kids/idiots would do it because they wouldn't know there is a death sentence for scamming and they don't think they'll get caught.
Items will not be returned. They changed that policy for good reason.