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Like it or not, there are people that buy this stuff. Blame them for making "Hentai" games profitable.
And the fact tthat's they're doing it is proof that they make money from it. I.e. people are buying it and they make back their entrance fees.
TThere's no rule against asset flips or loweffort. If you have the rights to the assets you can use them however you jolly well please. That sort of mentality would have basically meant the megaman franchaise wouldn't exist. Neither would the castle vania franchaise or the SMB franchaise.
And as this is a discussion forum, people can discuss the proposal.
Games don't get removed because you don't like them. Games get removed because the devs actually break the ToS.
These games very likely make use of purchased assets. Nothing wrong with that as that's not against the ToS.
If Valve did that for every suggestion we've had like that in this forums, there would literally be no games left on steam because people have complained about virtually every type of game.
Protip: "I am voicing my opinon" is merely internet speak for "I got caught being a jerk and now I'm trying to backpedal to save face."
How do you do that?
I don't take any issue with the following particular developer (though, many customers do), however, when I click their developer tag in the store I still get the old version of the list which isn't a developer profile page:
https://store.steampowered.com/search/?developer=Freejam
There are a lot of developers that still show up this way.
Am I just overlooking the ignore button on this page? (I don't see one or know where it is) or do only the new versions that are actual developer store profile pages have that ignore button?
Blocking tags can lead to false positives but the other method you listed sounds good.
However, I've looked for this before and couldn't find it.
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Also, links to the Steam store are, apparently, "spam" & OP is correct then because, therefore, the stuff they're selling in the store must be spam too. :^)
Doesn't matter what the title, description, or content of the game or topic is:
By that logic, there should only ever be one Call of Duty, one Mega Man, one Madden, one ... you get my point.
Not really. He's saying the puzzles are -exactly- the same, just with different skins.
I'm not going to bother verifying that (mostly because I'm not made of money) but that's a bit different than "more of the same kind of thing with new levels".
This is a big point.
I think the tools at the users' disposal to ignore things they don't like (such as entire developers) could be better but I don't think the games should be removed just because someone thinks they're "cheap".
(Quite likely an accurate assessment on their part but that doesn't change the fact that it is a preference.)
As someone who is striving to be a developer, I'm not going to be too torn up if someone is so upset with me that they add me to a list of ignored developers that don't even show up in their suggestions (any of my games).
I'd prefer to avoid that situation BUT... I don't want unhappy customers; if they don't like what I have to offer & know it, then I'm perfectly fine with them not even buying my game in the first place.
There are other people who will still want to buy it, though.
I used to walk into these threads saying "just because you don't like something doesn't mean they shouldn't be sold", but then I gradually realized that Steam doesn't exactly have the best tools for actually sifting through the store catalogue. Some people have drawn comparisons to a supermarket that sells things that a person isn't interested in, but supermarkets generally tend to organize their wares really well. Steam is...not quite that great.
So, maybe these people have a point...just not necessarily the one they're saying.
Also, OP not only has a fault series avatar but also a level 5 badge in that so at least they bothered to not make themselves look like %generic_anime_hater%.
It's still reasonable to think that's a minimal effort thing and be so bothered by it that you don't want to ever see (& therefore possibly accidentally purchase) another game from this developer.
This is the point where I'd like to renew my question (just in-case anyone missed that post) to Tito Shivan (or whoever can anser it for me) about, "how exactly are we supposed to block developers?"
This is a great suggestion but it is not one that works universally.
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/2577696996228948294/?tscn=1593307281#c2577696996231216368
For example, this is Fruitbat Factory:
https://store.steampowered.com/developer/fruitbatfactory
I would not block them, because I actually like their games but they have their own developer store profile. There's a tiny cog that's barely noticeable on the right side which you can click to open a drop down menu then either "Ignore this creator" or "Report this creator".
Now look at, the page the store takes me to when I click the "DEVELOPER" name links for Freejam & some *cough*"random" indie-devs:
https://store.steampowered.com/search/?developer=Freejam
https://store.steampowered.com/search/?developer=Elias%20Viglione
https://store.steampowered.com/search/?developer=Jussi%20Kukkonen
[As far as I can tell,] It is not possible to block these developers by selecting "Ignore this creator" so that you don't see their games published. All you can do is individually block EVERY game they've currently published [if you feel like ignoring these developers], then see the next one they publish whenever they get around to it because... they don't have a developer store page for you to block them from [, you can only block their games]. :v
The bigger issue is that, by the sounds of it, you keep buying from them.
(otherwise, why exactly do you feel exploited?)
This is one reason why some people began black-listing developers and writing reviews & curation that are essentially anti-curation, where they list things that they believe a company has done that are not consumer friendly - unfortunately, Valve decided that those types of reviews should not be permitted as it is "non-relevant to the content of the game" (or something) - essentially ignoring the fact that there are plenty of people who like to read those reviews.
Then we get topics with people asking for games to be taken down that plenty of other people actually still like because they don't care abut those issues (which range anywhere from the developer's political views or orientation to developers erasing in-game items or DLC from accounts that paid for them).
That doesn't mean that you shouldn't care, though.
Your opinion, especially when it comes to your own likes & dislikes, is a valid one to hold.
In my opinion, there are not suitable options for ignoring this sort of thing ...but there should be.
I don't think those games should simply be removed from the store, though, I think it is definitely shady of them to re-release the same puzzles with different skins instead of adding the new skins as an update to the first release or even allowing you to swap the puzzle images with your own images.
I really disagree with taking them down, though.
...however, we should have better options for being able to ignore developers that consistently give us issues with our customer service!
Currently, [as far as I can tell] there is no option to ignore ANY developer on the store.
Some of them you can but some others you can't.
You can block their Steam profile, but this doesn't stop their games from showing up in the store. HOWEVER, there is a long & more tedious option currently available...
- Visit the store page of the game you don't like,
- Under the screenshots but above the Purchase button, there will be the buttons "Follow" & "Ignore",
- Choose "Ignore This (Default)",
THEN
- Click on the "DEVELOPER" name from the short-description box to the right of the screenshot / video display (beneath the "RELEASE DATE") to see their full list of published games,
- Ignore any DLC they have because it will get hidden from the store when you ignore their games,
- Select each game they have published and follow the same steps to ignore it, removing it from the store.
END PROCESS
& with that, you shouldn't have to deal with seeing their currently existing games in the store, ever again.
...of course... they'll publish more stuff that will get shown to you, a person who has already made up their mind, quite heavily, that they don't want to see it - and hence why there should be a [universal] option to ignore entire developers [allowing you to block ANY developer... not just some of them], if that's what the customer so chooses.
Also, links to the Steam store are, apparently, "spam".
Doesn't matter what the title, description, or content of the game or topic is:
And as much as it may irk you and others. There is a market for such games.
Me thinks the heart of the matter is where people are searching that allows them to find these games in the first place. I actually play anime games, hentai games, etc, I actually enjoy them and yet for some od reason I never come across the games the OP and others complain about. Likely because I do not hunt for the cheapest games possible on the store front, and actually use search crfiteria that aren't absurdly lazy. If the only criteria by which you're searching for games are 'what's cheapest' or 'what's newest' well.... Lazy questions, yield lazy answers.
Part of the problem is people assume there's some zero-sum equation at play. Like every game they don't like is taking the place of a game they'd probably like,.
Well, that's wonderful for the developer.
I really couldn't care less whether there is a market for such games or not.
Even if there was no market for it at all, I think it should still be allowed to be published.
Conversely, even if it were the most popular market of all but not necessarily something I care for, I still think it should be allowed to be published. So it doesn't particularly irk me one way or the other that there is or isn't a market for it.
My point in your quoted section is that, the example used by user, "Random Sanity" which they referred to as "the same logic", is actually not the same thing to be complaining about.
It came across as a matter of misrepresentation by acting like things of different specificity are the same.
For example, if we start making comparisons between plant "species" & "family" then an apple is a rose because the apple is part of the rosaceae family.
("The Rose Family" by Robert Frost)
The OP was very specific in what they take issue with - that being repeat releases that are -exactly- the same... not approximately the same like "Random Sanity" was suggesting:
...now I see that may have been a misinterpretation of their point. "Random Sanity" was more likely not responding to the item in the games the OP had issue with but rather this excuse the topic author, "Not Hero", was making in order to justify their opinion that is basically advocating for censorship (where a filter would be better suited):
Which this can be addressed much more directly than using a fairly disconnected analogy, so here's a more direct response to what the topic author said in that quote:
Suggesting that someone do something is extremely similar to telling them to do it for you.
See? That's much more clear than the analogy that "Random Sanity" was making, which I, admittedly, misunderstood the purpose / relevance of earlier.
If this is actually the point he meant to make, he is actually right. It's right there in the topic title and most of us know how to read:
>Remove
This is not a suggestion, it is a command.
(One can probably make an argument that it is both but I don't really want to pursue that discussion further because it's actually not my main point.)
Anyways, as for the rest of my post...
My main point is simply that the filter options, which are a good way to get these things out of sight and out of mind - hence why Tito suggested them -- those filters are not universal. They work for ignoring some developers but not others.
That's a really bad implementation of a feature.