Suggestion how to stop review bombing

[Grim Future]

How hard it would be to limit reviews to accounts that have actually played the game at least more than 2h(if I remember correctly steams current return policy is 2h) that way review bombing could only happen from paying customers

[Vaulty]

Most of the review bombs are done by paying customers

>You have a person
>They buy a game
>They play and enjoy it
>They leave a review (or not)
>Something "bad" happens
>Person is angry and expresses his opinion by leaving bad review on the game


the only problem i have with valve review bombing algorhytm thing is that it sounds like it's targeted only for negative reviews, so if somebody review bombs using positive reviews nothing will happen

[Brian9824]

Publicado originalmente por Vault Hunter 101:

Most of the review bombs are done by paying customers

>You have a person
>They buy a game
>They play and enjoy it
>They leave a review (or not)
>Something "bad" happens
>Person is angry and expresses his opinion by leaving bad review on the game


the only problem i have with valve review bombing algorhytm thing is that it sounds like it's targeted only for negative reviews, so if somebody review bombs using positive reviews nothing will happen

It's not targeted for negative reviews at all, but there are basically no scenarios in which people mass post positive reviews for a game...

[Vaulty]

Publicado originalmente por brian9824:

Publicado originalmente por Vault Hunter 101:

Most of the review bombs are done by paying customers

>You have a person
>They buy a game
>They play and enjoy it
>They leave a review (or not)
>Something "bad" happens
>Person is angry and expresses his opinion by leaving bad review on the game


the only problem i have with valve review bombing algorhytm thing is that it sounds like it's targeted only for negative reviews, so if somebody review bombs using positive reviews nothing will happen

It's not targeted for negative reviews at all, but there are basically no scenarios in which people mass post positive reviews for a game...

From "User Reviews" notification thingy
"Review bombing is where players post a large number of reviews in a very compressed time frame, aimed at lowering the Review Score of a game."

If they will target unusual positive reviews then that's good but for me it sounds like they focused only on negatie ones

PS
Sorry if I derailed the topic

[Crazy Tiger]

Publicado originalmente por Grim Future:

How hard it would be to limit reviews to accounts that have actually played the game at least more than 2h(if I remember correctly steams current return policy is 2h) that way review bombing could only happen from paying customers

So you want people to choose between getting a refund or leaving a review?
Bit anti-consumer, don't you think?

[B l u e b e r r y P o p t a r t]

Publicado originalmente por Grim Future:

How hard it would be to limit reviews to accounts that have actually played the game at least more than 2h(if I remember correctly steams current return policy is 2h) that way review bombing could only happen from paying customers

Limiting users to a 2h limit of playtime to leave a review is not a good idea.

If a game is just bad, not working or any other reason why they'd refund the game before 2 hours they would not be able to leave a review letting those that would like to buy the product why they should pass it up (for now).

[Gwarsbane]

If you had bothered to use the search feature you would have discovered that changing the amount of time required to leave a review is not going to happen because its going to skew it all towards the positive.

If I can't get the game to run for more than a few seconds at a time, why should I have to keep the game to leave a review saying that I could not get it to run? Why should I have to keep loading it up, have it fail for like thousands of times just to get to the 2 hour mark to leave a bad review.

This is a bad idea the first 1000 times it was suggested, its a bad idea now, its a bad idea the next 10000 times its suggested.

Want to take care of review bombing, have developers/publishers stop doing stupid anti-consumer stuff.

[cinedine]

"Game crashes at the main menu. Took me around 200 restarts just to tell you this."
...
"Edit: Great, I can't even get a refund now. FFFUUUU Steam!!!!"

Also, idle programs exists, so all you do is barring out the laziest of the lazy.

[bunder]

Publicado originalmente por brian9824:

It's not targeted for negative reviews at all, but there are basically no scenarios in which people mass post positive reviews for a game...

Steam greenlight used to game positive reviews all the time

[Count_Dandyman]

Publicado originalmente por bunder:

Publicado originalmente por brian9824:

It's not targeted for negative reviews at all, but there are basically no scenarios in which people mass post positive reviews for a game...

Steam greenlight used to game positive reviews all the time

multiple devs were booted from Steam last month for attempting to manipulate the reviews

[Magma Hunter]

I don't think this is something for Valve to 'fix' outside of the off-topic review listing.

Review-bombings are (in my opinion) a symptome rather than the issue.
Most of the time when a review-bomb goes off, it is usually related to something regarding the publisher and/or developer that most consider anti-consumer. (With recently the Epic Trash Store ripping games from Steam.)

Contacting the devs/publishers directly via social media, mail, ect. are mostly ignored and so far, the only way people managed to get a response out of them is by hurting the numbers.

TL;DR: If people want review bombs to stop, the industry needs to stop screwing over their customers.

[Count_Dandyman]

Publicado originalmente por Magma Hunter:

I don't think this is something for Valve to 'fix' outside of the off-topic review listing.

Review-bombings are (in my opinion) a symptome rather than the issue.
Most of the time when a review-bomb goes off, it is usually related to something regarding the publisher and/or developer that most consider anti-consumer. (With recently the Epic Trash Store ripping games from Steam.)

Contacting the devs/publishers directly via social media, mail, ect. are mostly ignored and so far, the only way people managed to get a response out of them is by hurting the numbers.

TL;DR: If people want review bombs to stop, the industry needs to stop screwing over their customers.

No matter what the industry does there will always be people unsatisfied angry, and that want to lash out.

See this is the biggest issue over review bombs they are rarely about companies doing something bad and almost always just about companies not doing what consumers want them to.

[Ness_and_Sonic]

Publicado originalmente por Count_Dandyman:

No matter what the industry does there will always be people unsatisfied angry, and that want to lash out.

See this is the biggest issue over review bombs they are rarely about companies doing something bad and almost always just about companies not doing what consumers want them to.

And that's why you focus on the fans and consult them for feedback before making a big decision like this. It's the fans that buy the game, which is where the money comes from. That's why they're important to keep in mind when making these decisions.

[Start_Running]

Publicado originalmente por Ness_and_Sonic|Bye Reviews.:

Publicado originalmente por Count_Dandyman:

No matter what the industry does there will always be people unsatisfied angry, and that want to lash out.

See this is the biggest issue over review bombs they are rarely about companies doing something bad and almost always just about companies not doing what consumers want them to.

And that's why you focus on the fans and consult them for feedback before making a big decision like this. It's the fans that buy the game, which is where the money comes from. That's why they're important to keep in mind when making these decisions.

That is trhe most idiotic thing I ever heard. Fans are the WORST people to listen to in a creative endeavour.

[Ness_and_Sonic]

Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:

That is trhe most idiotic thing I ever heard. Fans are the WORST people to listen to in a creative endeavour.

I'm curious, when you work for someone who pays you money, do you ignore what they tell you to do?

[Count_Dandyman]

Publicado originalmente por Ness_and_Sonic|Bye Reviews.:

Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:

That is trhe most idiotic thing I ever heard. Fans are the WORST people to listen to in a creative endeavour.

I'm curious, when you work for someone who pays you money, do you ignore what they tell you to do?

publishers and devs do not work for you or any other fan and the sooner you drop that egotistical idea and start looking for the games that do what you want instead of demanding games that don't change to suit you the better things will be both for yourself and the industry as a whole.