Valve should Learn from Respawn's latest anti-cheat measures

[ALESKIB]

By making game free Valve provide cheeters more ways to hack game they just make new accounts cheat ban and cycle continue seems like valve not care for players or they don't have good anti cheat? well Respawn's latest anti-cheat measures sees Apex cheaters banned by hardware IDs thats somehow a good solution. valve should learn from them. played 5 games full spin bots and what reports game ban ? oh game is free

https://www.pcgamer.com/respawns-latest-anti-cheat-measures-sees-apex-cheaters-banned-by-hardware-ids/?utm_content=buffer2edf4&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=buffer_pcgamerfb&fbclid=IwAR3atwExITR7aAuztsbCOwlcFTSGRCDckgg0C-uGUbEel9q3CLyth6dcfHI

[cinedine]

I guess you'd be thrilled buying a used PC and not beign able to play a game you spend quite some time and money on.

Hardware ID only works on console. On PC *anything* you send out to the world can be intercepted and changed.

[Cathulhu]

Yeah, as if this topic never has come up. Hardware ID bans are as useful as IP bans as in utterly ineffective.
Only the most retarded cheaters will be defeated by this. Anyone smart enough to breathe will simply use the tools provided by the OS itself to spoof the hardware IDs, beating the system within seconds.
Additionally, someone buying second hand hardware may simply get banned in a game while being innocent, because he bought hardware that was banned by the previous owner.

That is a terrible idea and will simply blow up in their face. That Epic is even considering doing that disqualifies them entirely.

[ALESKIB]

Oprindeligt skrevet af cinedine:

I guess you'd be thrilled buying a used PC and not beign able to play a game you spend quite some time and money on.

Hardware ID only works on console. On PC *anything* you send out to the world can be intercepted and changed.

lol buy new who said you to buy new well point is vac is useless just make new account and hack its fine you report he ban again and will make new account so they need to find lasting solution like respawn did. atleast one who hacking know the pain of getting ban hardware component

[cinedine]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Zubaida apa:

Oprindeligt skrevet af cinedine:

I guess you'd be thrilled buying a used PC and not beign able to play a game you spend quite some time and money on.

Hardware ID only works on console. On PC *anything* you send out to the world can be intercepted and changed.

lol buy new who said you to buy new well point is vac is useless just make new account and hack its fine you report he ban again and will make new account so they need to find lasting solution like respawn did. atleast one who hacking know the pain of getting ban hardware component

This isn't a lasting solution.
It takes you all but seconds to spoof your ID or any information if you know what you are doing and just minutes to google how to.

But it will heavily backfire and people who don't cheat will get caught in the crossfire.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Please use the search. This is brought up every week.

[Cathulhu]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Zubaida apa:

Oprindeligt skrevet af cinedine:

I guess you'd be thrilled buying a used PC and not beign able to play a game you spend quite some time and money on.

Hardware ID only works on console. On PC *anything* you send out to the world can be intercepted and changed.

lol buy new who said you to buy new well point is vac is useless just make new account and hack its fine you report he ban again and will make new account so they need to find lasting solution like respawn did. atleast one who hacking know the pain of getting ban hardware component

So, you're ok with people getting banned while being innocent just because they've bought used hardware?

[Spawn of Totoro]

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+fake+hardware+ID&client=firefox-b-1-d&gbv=1&sei=W1eqXMnMBpDe-gSJjbSIDg

HWID can easily be changed/spoofed.

If a false HWID is banned, there is a chance that it may also be a legit ID for someone else, causing them to also lose access t something they may have put money into and never cheated in.

Banning by HWID won't change anything for the hackers.

The only way I can see that may have the greatest potential to prevent hacking is cloud gaming for competitive games, but that comes with it's own issues.

Valve has made a good balance of stopping hackers while keeping false positives and user inconvenience to a minimal. Something people don't seem to consider out side of "I just got killed by a hacker!"

[Tito Shivan]

Nothing new under the sun. Punkbuster has been using 'hardware bans' for a long time... And hasn't driven cheaters out of their games in ages either.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Cathulhu:

So, you're ok with people getting banned while being innocent just because they've bought used hardware?

"Only when it's not me the one getting banned"

[Start_Running]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Zubaida apa:

By making game free Valve provide cheeters more ways to hack game they just make new accounts cheat ban and cycle continue seems like valve not care for players or they don't have good anti cheat? well Respawn's latest anti-cheat measures sees Apex cheaters banned by hardware IDs thats somehow a good solution. valve should learn from them. played 5 games full spin bots and what reports game ban ? oh game is free

It sounds like a good solution. Until you realize HWID's can be spoofed and even masked.

[Washell]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Zubaida apa:

they need to find lasting solution like respawn did. atleast one who hacking know the pain of getting ban hardware component

The next set of cheats for apex will come with a spoof hardware ID feature and it'll be business as usual. This is a fix that lasts hours, not indefinitely.

[76561198001062896]

people really need to understand and realise that no anti cheat system is failproof. if it was, it would be widely used.

the most effective anti cheat systems are also the most invasive ones that constantly monitor for suspicious processes and softwares running in the background, so take your poison because Valve isnt Santa or the Wizard of Oz that can magically create the universal anticheat solution.

[Tito Shivan]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Zetikla:

the most effective anti cheat systems are also the most invasive ones that constantly monitor for suspicious processes and softwares running in the background, so take your poison because Valve isnt Santa or the Wizard of Oz that can magically create the universal anticheat solution.

There's also been a pretty swift, fast and error tolerant anticheat measure for ages.
Having server admins avaiable to kick suspected cheaters on the spot.
However we largely gave away that ability long ago when dev-hosted servers became a regular thing.

[The End]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Zubaida apa:

atleast one who hacking know the pain of getting ban hardware component

Not at all, sell/refund the banned hardware and rebuy, with that they push the problem to innocent people. How would you feel if you buy a used computer, just to discover you can't play a bunch of games.

As already said, all the idtypes on PC can be spoofed so it would be pointless in the long run, there is no 100% anticheat, VAC is the best nonintrusive anticheat out there.

I agree, making the game free probably was a mistake.

[Tito Shivan]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Rockon:

As already said, all the idtypes on PC can be spoofed so it would be pointless in the long run, there is no 100% anticheat, VAC is the best nonintrusive anticheat out there.

The MAIN issue with catching cheaters any ACS maker will tell you is the system being in hands of the user. It's really hard to fight on a playing field owned by the cheaters.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Rockon:

I agree, making the game free probably was a mistake.

TF2 gave a good preview of what happens when a game goes F2P nowadays.

[Arokhantos]

Ban by purchase methods phone number hwid all of that can be tied to an account, anyway there is only so much you can do, the only issue would be if the game was gifted by some one.
One thing i do wonder if Valve keeps in mind is stolen accounts that being cheated on, i know Ubisoft have reconsidered bans for cheating under conditions account was indeed compromised ofc with valid proof, anyway this is why you should never share accounts and keep account secure, not to mention use unique passwords everywhere.