Stop banning porn games

[Wicked]

I heard you started banning porn games again. Well stop it and start banning the low budget garbage games instead. Pls

[Antz]

I don't think porn games are good for Valves image. And porn IMO belongs on your browser and possibly downloaded.

[Spawn of Totoro]

If it is the ones that have been discussed before, it is due to "child exploitation" and not porn.

[Start_Running]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ConseQuence:

I heard you started banning porn games again. Well stop it and start banning the low budget garbage games instead. Pls

Low budget garbage games is pretty much how one could describe most of the porn games on steam strangely enough.

[mosteraz]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Spawn of Totoro:

If it is the ones that have been discussed before, it is due to "child exploitation" and not porn.

Except those rulings are extremely inconsistent.
"A key to home" while made from a lolicon artist, is devoid of h-scenes. "Cross love" mentiones on many occasions that all characters are above 18. From "Imolicious" i've only seen a screenshot about the main girl but she looks pretty adult too.

All those mentioned games got banned, at the same time games like Nekopara 1-3 (externally downloadable 18+ patch) remain up without problem. Nekopara also features smaller and younger looking characters (younger than in some of the banned games) that are also present in adult scenes. This actually happened way before the first argument about porn games on steam came up.

Now I can't speak for everyone, but I think the majority of people are more angry about the fact that it is so inconsistent rather than the loli ban itself. This ultimately hurts Steam & Valve itself since this will eventually result in developers preferring other platforms because they don't know whether their game will be suddenly banned or not.

To be frank, one of the following options would be the best course of action at this point:

• Valve releases cristal-clear guidelines that leave no room for interpretation, both for developers and content moderators
  
• Games which primarily focus on pornography get banned alltogether
  
• Valve goes back to their policy as it was before the first argument, sexual content is not allowed but 18+ patches offered over third-party sites are outside of their juristication

[Cathulhu]

Saying a character is over 18 and still depicting a minor does not make it legal.

[mosteraz]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Cathulhu:

Saying a character is over 18 and still depicting a minor does not make it legal.

Those look like minors? https://www.oneangrygamer.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Cross-Love-1-585x300.jpg (Safe for Work, before anyone asks)
Also who would be the judge of that in other games? Sure there are some where its clear that they are a "2000 year old loli" but then you have games where it's impossible to tell.
Finally you are also implying it's illegal in the first place.

[Cathulhu]

Well, in a few countries like the UK, Canada or Australia it actually is illegal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_drawn_pornography_depicting_minors

[mosteraz]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Cathulhu:

Well, in a few countries like the UK, Canada or Australia it actually is illegal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_drawn_pornography_depicting_minors

Then they have to be regionlocked. Wolfenstein, South Park: The Stick of Truth, GTA and others weren't banned globally either and just got regionally locked / censored.
Valve is a US-based company, so the important laws for them are the ones from their respective state (California if I'm not mistaken).

[cinedine]

Do we really need another of these threads? I assume the FBI and similar institutions have plenty of names gathered from the last few already.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Start_Running:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ConseQuence:

I heard you started banning porn games again. Well stop it and start banning the low budget garbage games instead. Pls

Low budget garbage games is pretty much how one could describe most of the porn games on steam strangely enough.

My thoughts exactly.

Oh and lastly, why does this oneangrygamer idiot site keeps popping up in these threads? Selective citations, lying by omission, click baity writing style, ... It's almost as if this site has a vested interest in keeping those games easily available.

[mosteraz]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von cinedine:

Oh and lastly, why does this oneangrygamer idiot site keeps popping up in these threads? Selective citations, lying by omission, click baity writing style, ... It's almost as if this site has a vested interest in keeping those games easily available.

It is a mere image source which isn't any less valid through that. If you insist on giving them no clicks: https://i.imgur.com/IFVBnXe.jpg

[Start_Running]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von cinedine:

Do we really need another of these threads? I assume the FBI and similar institutions have plenty of names gathered from the last few already.

IT's actually funny. but you'd think that given that some of these games go unmolested it stands to reason that those that are removed must have done something particularly wrong.

[Winged One]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Copper:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Spawn of Totoro:

If it is the ones that have been discussed before, it is due to "child exploitation" and not porn.

Except those rulings are extremely inconsistent.
"A key to home" while made from a lolicon artist, is devoid of h-scenes. "Cross love" mentiones on many occasions that all characters are above 18. From "Imolicious" i've only seen a screenshot about the main girl but she looks pretty adult too.

All those mentioned games got banned, at the same time games like Nekopara 1-3 (externally downloadable 18+ patch) remain up without problem. Nekopara also features smaller and younger looking characters (younger than in some of the banned games) that are also present in adult scenes. This actually happened way before the first argument about porn games on steam came up.

Now I can't speak for everyone, but I think the majority of people are more angry about the fact that it is so inconsistent rather than the loli ban itself. This ultimately hurts Steam & Valve itself since this will eventually result in developers preferring other platforms because they don't know whether their game will be suddenly banned or not.

To be frank, one of the following options would be the best course of action at this point:

• Valve releases cristal-clear guidelines that leave no room for interpretation, both for developers and content moderators
  
• Games which primarily focus on pornography get banned alltogether
  
• Valve goes back to their policy as it was before the first argument, sexual content is not allowed but 18+ patches offered over third-party sites are outside of their juristication

more goes into defining sexual content in games than nudity and sex, especially when a game features minors so heavily.. every single aspect of the design has to be taken into account..

Also, "claiming" the character is 18 does not legalize it.. the law is if it is beyond a reasonable doubt meant to depict a minor, it is to be considered a minor..

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Copper:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Cathulhu:

Well, in a few countries like the UK, Canada or Australia it actually is illegal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_drawn_pornography_depicting_minors

Then they have to be regionlocked. Wolfenstein, South Park: The Stick of Truth, GTA and others weren't banned globally either and just got regionally locked / censored.
Valve is a US-based company, so the important laws for them are the ones from their respective state (California if I'm not mistaken).

ban laws on sexual content depicting minors are different than those banning the content in those games..

If Valve willingly distributes such content they are banned from doing any business in multiple countries.. region locking won't prevent that, the countries will still go "nope, you are no longer allowed to do business here, you are now associated with such content"..

Valve has to follow laws in any country they do business in, they don't get to pick and choose

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Start_Running:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von cinedine:

Do we really need another of these threads? I assume the FBI and similar institutions have plenty of names gathered from the last few already.

IT's actually funny. but you'd think that given that some of these games go unmolested it stands to reason that those that are removed must have done something particularly wrong.

exactly, there are plenty of games with sexual content on Steam.. maybe its because they don't depict minors?

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Start_Running:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ConseQuence:

I heard you started banning porn games again. Well stop it and start banning the low budget garbage games instead. Pls

Low budget garbage games is pretty much how one could describe most of the porn games on steam strangely enough.

your not wrong

[mosteraz]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von theseraph1:

more goes into defining sexual content in games than nudity and sex, especially when a game features minors so heavily.. every single aspect of the design has to be taken into account..

Also, "claiming" the character is 18 does not legalize it.. the law is if it is beyond a reasonable doubt meant to depict a minor, it is to be considered a minor..

.....

ban laws on sexual content depicting minors are different than those banning the content in those games..

If Valve willingly distributes such content they are banned from doing any business in multiple countries.. region locking won't prevent that, the countries will still go "nope, you are no longer allowed to do business here, you are now associated with such content"..

.....

exactly, there are plenty of games with sexual content on Steam.. maybe its because they don't depict minors?

We're back to

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Copper:

Those look like minors? https://www.oneangrygamer.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Cross-Love-1-585x300.jpg / https://i.imgur.com/IFVBnXe.jpg
Also who would be the judge of that in other games? Sure there are some where its clear that they are a "2000 year old loli" but then you have games where it's impossible to tell.
Finally you are also implying it's illegal in the first place.

[Winged One]

well, always a good sign when you have to open up ports on your firebox to view a link :P

and honestly, maybe not the person on the left, but the one on the right looks 13..

[Bungey]

If You want xxx games, You know Where to go.