Can we go back to Steam Greenlight now?

[Jocosity]

I can only assume that everyone at Valve knew exactly how awful Steam Direct would end up being, and only switched to it to begin with to teach the Steam community a lesson on why having any sort of barrier to people being able to dump their games on Steam is important. But it's been almost a year now, and I assume most people have seen the light thanks to the flood of dump games assaulting the market, like the recently released "PUTIN, BOOBS, and TRUMP", so can we go back to Greenlighting things?

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

No way. Letting users decide which games to sell was a bad idea. It will not come back.

There is a report function on every store page for you to use.

[Start_Running]

Greenlight failed Direct at least makes sure the bastards lose some dosh every time.
Here's a tip though. Actually search for games based on your interests and not based on how new they are. Dear god, the fact that at least Half the Steam user base never knows about these games until folks like you complain about them says something.

Stomp diving in the back alley dumpster.
Actually think about the stuff you like, not about being the first to grab the new shiny.

[Jocosity]

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Greenlight failed Direct at least makes sure the bastards lose some dosh every time.
Here's a tip though. Actually search for games based on your interests and not based on how new they are. Dear god, the fact that at least Half the Steam user base never knows about these games until folks like you complain about them says something.

Stomp diving in the back alley dumpster.
Actually think about the stuff you like, not about being the first to grab the new shiny.

I already have 1,193 games on Steam; I think it's pretty clear that I'm doing a lot more than buying the newest games. I check the New Releases list every day anyways for the sake of finding more. The reason people don't notice games like these is because Valve hid the full New Releases list behind two clicks after they realized how much Steam Direct was flooding it with garbage, which is a problem in itself.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Main store page on the left hand column, New Releases. That is 1 click.

[Jocosity]

Yeah, except that just takes you to the "Popular New Releases" list. To actually get to the full list you then have to click the regular New Releases tab, then All New Releases (because otherwise it only shows the first 16, which typically isn't even a full day's worth of releases now that there's so much junk flooding that list).

[The End]

Originally posted by Jocosity:

Can we go back to Steam Greenlight now?

I hope not, there were way to much drama around greenlight, that is something I personally do not miss.

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Greenlight failed Direct at least makes sure the bastards lose some dosh every time.
Here's a tip though. Actually search for games based on your interests and not based on how new they are. Dear god, the fact that at least Half the Steam user base never knows about these games until folks like you complain about them says something.

Stomp diving in the back alley dumpster.
Actually think about the stuff you like, not about being the first to grab the new shiny.

Exactly, some people and a few youtubechannels has made it their main purpose in life digging up games they don't like or appriciate, and start all kind of drama around their findings.

All they really need to do is ignore the games they don't like, or report the games that violates the rules, just like the majority of steamusers do.

The only way I get to know about said games, is in the forums, I never see them in the store.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by Jocosity:

I already have 1,193 games on Steam; I think it's pretty clear that I'm doing a lot more than buying the newest games.

The number of games you have says nothings nothing about whether or not you bought them as new releases.

I check the New Releases list every day anyways for the sake of finding more.

And in your next sentence you pretty much describe the very behaviour I was alluding to. Dude. maybe spend less time finding new games to buy and more time actually you know playing the games you buy. Bonus is that you'll become more attuned to picking out traits of games you like which makes the searching actually faster.

The reason people don't notice games like these is because Valve hid the full New Releases list behind two clicks after they realized how much Steam Direct was flooding it with garbage, which is a problem in itself.

Uhm. One it's been like that from before STeam Direct. They just changed the name a few times. Also, again, yes. This is why most people don't see them because most people when searching for a game, are searching based on criteria that have nothing to do with new ness.

Genre, Similarity other games, Games within franchises, games by developers/publishers, etc. The smart folk also actually order there searches based on things like User reviews, relevance, etc.

You have almost 1200 games. Ask yourself, why? Are you sure you're not just acquiring games the same way many women buy shoes?

[wuddih]

greenlight did not let you block out games, the downvote button meant nothing.
it just changed the order of the waiting queue.
you dont want it back, what you want is valve to improve their algos so that this garbage does not get any attention. if this stuff does not sell this is a loss. and the people that are doing this do not have infinite amount of resources.

so .. it is not helping that you mention the names of such games.

[Jocosity]

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Originally posted by Jocosity:

I already have 1,193 games on Steam; I think it's pretty clear that I'm doing a lot more than buying the newest games.

The number of games you have says nothings nothing about whether or not you bought them as new releases.

I check the New Releases list every day anyways for the sake of finding more.

And in your next sentence you pretty much describe the very behaviour I was alluding to. Dude. maybe spend less time finding new games to buy and more time actually you know playing the games you buy. Bonus is that you'll become more attuned to picking out traits of games you like which makes the searching actually faster.

The reason people don't notice games like these is because Valve hid the full New Releases list behind two clicks after they realized how much Steam Direct was flooding it with garbage, which is a problem in itself.

Uhm. One it's been like that from before STeam Direct. They just changed the name a few times. Also, again, yes. This is why most people don't see them because most people when searching for a game, are searching based on criteria that have nothing to do with new ness.

Genre, Similarity other games, Games within franchises, games by developers/publishers, etc. The smart folk also actually order there searches based on things like User reviews, relevance, etc.

You have almost 1200 games. Ask yourself, why? Are you sure you're not just acquiring games the same way many women buy shoes?

What makes you think I don't play my games? Aside from maybe 100 or so games I only have because of bundles that had other games I wanted, the only ones that don't have playtime on them are either newly purchased or games I played before Steam started tracking playtime years ago. I don't have much need to search through the catalog because in the 10 years I've been on steam I've already seen pretty much everything in their backcatalog that would interest me. Stop trying to squeeze everyone who disagrees with you into a single category that fits your narrative.

Originally posted by wuddih:

greenlight did not let you block out games, the downvote button meant nothing.
it just changed the order of the waiting queue.
you dont want it back, what you want is valve to improve their algos so that this garbage does not get any attention. if this stuff does not sell this is a loss. and the people that are doing this do not have infinite amount of resources.

so .. it is not helping that you mention the names of such games.

This would be fine too, really. The big problem with this system is that the "Popular New Releases" tab seems intended to replace the old full list, but lots of games slip through it that aren't just bad no budget cash grabs. Bullet Witch, for example, just released yesterday, and it didn't even make the list in favor of "new releases" that have been out for weeks. Bullet Witch is admittedly a loose pick because it's a pretty niche game to begin with, but it's a known game from a known developer/publisher that is at least interesting to the people within it's niche, but since you have to dig like 3 pages into the full list to even know it exists it might as well have not been released. This system isn't just bad for these Trump cash grabs and baby's first 2D platformer games, it's bad for anything that's unlucky enough to not be super popular compared to Skyrim's 20th release, because you'll never find them unless you either go wading through the trash or find them several months later when they show up in a sale.

[Knightwolf]

this site helped pass some greenlight games not sure how many https://www.orlygift.com/giveaway

pretty much you earn points for signing up or vote for stuff to increase your chances of winning a free $5 game but when greenlight was a thing you would also vote for greenlight games so pretty much people where just voting for greenlight games which in turn gives you a few extra entries to win a $5 game, there was i think 3 games for each giveaway so if 100 people entered the giveaway and only 50 people did these steps then there would be 50 entries for that greenlight game. you could pass pretty much any greenlight game if you wanted going through this site.

[Washell]

Originally posted by Jocosity:

I can only assume that everyone at Valve knew exactly how awful Steam Direct would end up being

Correct.

Originally posted by Jocosity:

and only switched to it to begin with to teach the Steam community a lesson on why having any sort of barrier to people being able to dump their games on Steam is important.

Incorrect. They decided that curating the inflow of games (beyond basic functionality) would always lead to problems. Since they'd need to develop systems to push the right games to the right customer anyway, it would be easier to focus all their energy on that. If you stick with Curators you like, the recommendations, the discovery queue, trending among friends and other upcoming features, 90% of the crap should be filtered from your view. It should be getting better and better over time. Just think about how well Google can filter down the internet to what you want.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by Jocosity:

What makes you think I don't play my games?

Your very next statement which confirms it.

Originally posted by Jocosity:

Aside from maybe 100 or so games I only have because of bundles that had other games I wanted,

I've been on steam I've already seen pretty much everything in their backcatalog that would interest me.

Then you have eaten all the proverbial red M&M's. Maybe take a break from gaming for a year or so and allow the supply to build up. You've bought all the games that interested you, ergo the only games left are those that do not interest you.

If it helps I can say that as a rule nyou should keep no more than a 100 games in your not-interested list. ANything more and it starts to make the fuzzy logic wig out.. Limit your search to new and trending. ANything worth your time will invariably bubble up through the lush pile. You just have to be patient.

[Fear dot Com]

The only thing I miss about Greenlight was it being the wild west of Steam. Swearing was uncensored, I never got punished for really giving it to the worst developers I've seen, and at worst...I'd get banned from commenting on their disasters. Other than that, people would vote for the most terrible game out of irony, and some really interesting ones never got recognition because they got bumped off with a never ending flood of horrible games. All I ask is that Shooter Tactics stay forever in development limbo :P.