Strai 2 Thg11, 2019 @ 5:12pm
New Library = Skewed Reviews
Adding the review button to the new library system has ridiculously skewed the positive review rating of old games.

Fanboys playing bad games 5 years past their expiration date are offsetting the legitimate review scores by like 30%

Reviews should be weighted by the number of reviews you've posted or something.

Also, written reviews should be a separate/optional system. A simple Yes/No vote is sufficient for most "reviewers". Especially with this new system, I've seen a ton of people just writing "Yes" in the box.
Lần sửa cuối bởi Strai; 3 Thg11, 2019 @ 2:33pm
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Satoru 2 Thg11, 2019 @ 5:21pm 
Why should it be weighted? The reviews are legit and are functionally in line with the existing reviews anywya
I guess you havent participated in one of the many sales events where the task was to review a game.

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Strai 2 Thg11, 2019 @ 5:24pm 
Nguyên văn bởi Satoru:
Why should it be weighted? The reviews are legit and are functionally in line with the existing reviews anywya

Because biased guy who wrote "Yes" as his one and only review, on a bad game, doesn't have as valid an "opinion" as somebody with 100 meaningful/detailed reviews. The guy with 100 reviews should have his review count for 100x as much, because experience, put simply.


Nguyên văn bởi cSg|mc-Hotsauce:
I guess you havent participated in one of the many sales events where the task was to review a game.

That only further supports my suggestion?
Lần sửa cuối bởi Strai; 2 Thg11, 2019 @ 5:25pm
Yeah... They have other measures in place that take care of that. 1 is the graph on the reviews in the store page.

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wuddih 2 Thg11, 2019 @ 5:30pm 
what has the new library to do with this?
the library had always buttons to write a review from within the library, it just got fancier.

Nguyên văn bởi (Strai):
Reviews should be weighted by the number of reviews you've posted or something.
i agree on that, the more you write the more meaningless they should become.
Start_Running 2 Thg11, 2019 @ 5:36pm 
Nguyên văn bởi (Strai):
Nguyên văn bởi Satoru:
Why should it be weighted? The reviews are legit and are functionally in line with the existing reviews anywya

Because biased guy who wrote "Yes" as his one and only review, on a bad game, doesn't have as valid an "opinion" as somebody with 100 meaningful/detailed reviews. The guy with 100 reviews should have his review count for 100x as much, because experience, put simply.
And who gets to judge what is meaningful? The Helpful votes? That would basically be a gift to meme review posters. Also just saying 'Yes' on a game You personally think is 'bad' doesn't make the review any less accurate,. Also .. all reviews of entertainment products are inherently biased. Some reviewers will give more insight as to what affected their scoring but in the end its all biased for the most part.

Nguyên văn bởi cSg|mc-Hotsauce:
I guess you havent participated in one of the many sales events where the task was to review a game.

That only further supports my suggestion?

WHy?

Actually prodding people to write reviews (particularly on games they've spent a significant number of hours in is actually a great idea.

They will either:

- RIghtfully throw some love to a game they enjoyed but never got around to reviewing...
- Be in a great position to provide a highly informed negative review.

The first one benefits hardworking devs, and the latter benefits consumers. Win-Win. The only people who lose are people who don't like when people scoore games in a manner counter to their own (very biased) opinion.




Nguyên văn bởi cSg|mc-Hotsauce:
Yeah... They have other measures in place that take care of that. 1 is the graph on the reviews in the store page.

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Isn't writing a review a thing you need to do for the 'Pillar of the COmmunity' Badge
Strai 2 Thg11, 2019 @ 5:36pm 
Nguyên văn bởi wuddih:
what has the new library to do with this?
the library had always buttons to write a review from within the library, it just got fancier.

It was hidden in a sub-menu before, now its a main feature.

Nguyên văn bởi wuddih:
i agree on that, the more you write the more meaningless they should become.

Yea, we wouldn't want people who actually knew what they were talking about to matter, right? Just imagine if you got paid more for being experienced at some job. Crazy, right?
Nguyên văn bởi Start_Running:
Isn't writing a review a thing you need to do for the 'Pillar of the Community' Badge

That too, yeah.

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Lần sửa cuối bởi cSg|mc-Hotsauce; 2 Thg11, 2019 @ 5:38pm
Nguyên văn bởi (Strai):
Fanboys playing bad games 5 years past their expiration date are offsetting the legitimate review scores by like 10%
People who like the game are giving it good reviews? Isn't that how things normally work? (Also, obvious to everyone already, but save for "we're turning the servers off" situations, games don't have an expiration date)

Nguyên văn bởi (Strai):
Because biased guy who wrote "Yes" as his one and only review, on a bad game, doesn't have as valid an "opinion" as somebody with 100 meaningful/detailed reviews. The guy with 100 reviews should have his review count for 100x as much, because experience, put simply.
Isn't this an argument for "biased guy" (we're all biased, that's the point of reviews, to put your own view forward) to keep doing what he's doing, 99 more times to be precise?
Satoru 2 Thg11, 2019 @ 5:48pm 
Nguyên văn bởi (Strai):
Nguyên văn bởi Satoru:
Why should it be weighted? The reviews are legit and are functionally in line with the existing reviews anywya

Because biased guy who wrote "Yes" as his one and only review, on a bad game, doesn't have as valid an "opinion" as somebody with 100 meaningful/detailed reviews. The guy with 100 reviews should have his review count for 100x as much, because experience, put simply.


Nguyên văn bởi cSg|mc-Hotsauce:
I guess you havent participated in one of the many sales events where the task was to review a game.

That only further supports my suggestion?

Equally people who are “biased” put “bad game” too
Strai 2 Thg11, 2019 @ 5:50pm 
Nguyên văn bởi Start_Running:
And who gets to judge what is meaningful?

I would just base it on number of reviews. You could throw helpful % in if you wanted, I suppose. Iterate and see what works best.

Nguyên văn bởi Start_Running:
Also just saying 'Yes' on a game You personally think is 'bad' doesn't make the review any less accurate,..

The accuracy of said reviews is irrelevant, the point is that a written review that only says "Yes" is worthless (the written part, at least), and forcing people to fill out a non-optional box for that "Yes" is counter productive nonsense. Just let them vote.

Nguyên văn bởi Start_Running:
Actually prodding people to write reviews (particularly on games they've spent a significant number of hours in is actually a great idea.

That seems like a separate data-set, which is already somewhat findable via Steam's stats + current (pre-library) review system. If anything to that effect, they should just show the average playtime of the game or something.

Nguyên văn bởi Start_Running:
The first one benefits hardworking devs, and the latter benefits consumers. Win-Win. The only people who lose are people who don't like when people scoore games in a manner counter to their own (very biased) opinion.

I consider the current review system pretty effective. You have to offset it by about 75%, but it still works. Most of the top played games on steam right now are gambling simulators, that keep people addicted even though they're terrible experiences, and are now getting an undeserved boost in review score.



Nguyên văn bởi Gus the Crocodile:
People who like the game are giving it good reviews? Isn't that how things normally work?

People who like the game and people who are addicted to the game are not the same. Go watch any random LoL streamer on Twitch, and give it 5 minutes before their mood is destroyed. Then watch them go back in for another match of the most played (bad) game in history. Because gambling addiction.

Nguyên văn bởi Gus the Crocodile:
Isn't this an argument for "biased guy" (we're all biased, that's the point of reviews, to put your own view forward) to keep doing what he's doing, 99 more times to be precise?

Generally, the people who mis-review games do it because they have little-to-no experience gaming. They give a positive review to something awful, then you check their steam page and see the only own 8 games, and have 2,000 hours in CSGO, and its like; "Well, yea, I guess I can see how they think game X is good in comparison."
Lần sửa cuối bởi Strai; 2 Thg11, 2019 @ 6:07pm
wuddih 2 Thg11, 2019 @ 5:56pm 
Nguyên văn bởi (Strai):
Yea, we wouldn't want people who actually knew what they were talking about to matter, right? Just imagine if you got paid more for being experienced at some job. Crazy, right?
one review is bad, thousand reviews are good. the power of any review system comes from the crowd, not from an individual. i take thousand one word reviews over one failed short novel any time.

and to bring the bullet to the point, you are lucky that writing reviews is not your job because they would have to "let you go".
you usually get fired for being a bad performer, crazy world, just crazy.
Strai 2 Thg11, 2019 @ 6:00pm 
Nguyên văn bởi wuddih:
thousand reviews are good. the power of any review system comes from the crowd.

Indeed. And that "crowd" is currently being skewed from the general masses to the hyper fanboys. PUBG has gone from 50% to 66% in just a few days since this library released.

Which is further skewed by Steam having a review score dedicated to recent reviews.
Lần sửa cuối bởi Strai; 2 Thg11, 2019 @ 6:01pm
Nguyên văn bởi (Strai):
People who like the game and people who are addicted to the game are not the same. Go watch any random LoL streamer on Twitch, and give it 5 minutes before their mood is destroyed. Then watch them go back in for another match of the most played (bad) game in history. Because gambling addiction.
Okay, but the current system doesn't discriminate between the two either. How does people clicking a review button in the library rather than somewhere else an indication that they're "addicted" rather than "legitmately" enjoying the game?

Nguyên văn bởi (Strai):
Generally, the people who mis-review games do it because they have little-to-no experience gaming. They give a positive review to something awful, then you check their steam page and see the only own 8 games, and have 2,000 hours in CSGO, and its like; "Well, yea, I guess I can see how they think X game is good in comparison."
That's not really a response to what I said, but either way, if this is the kind of person who plays lots of CS:GO (or whatever) then their review is a legitimate reflection of the game's audience. Similar sorts of people will likely be at least a part of the people looking to the reviews for guidance.
Strai 2 Thg11, 2019 @ 6:20pm 
Nguyên văn bởi Gus the Crocodile:
How does people clicking a review button in the library rather than somewhere else an indication that they're "addicted" rather than "legitmately" enjoying the game?

Its almost like people responding to an advertisement at this point? Only people who are still playing the game 100 years later will even see it. Whereas before you had to go out of you way when you (theoretically) had something relevant to say, adding yet more weight to the process.

Nguyên văn bởi Gus the Crocodile:
That's not really a response to what I said.

The response was: The person who owns less games than you've written reviews for; is less experienced, less informed, more biased, and should therefor have less weight. "Respect your elders" kinda thing.

Nguyên văn bởi Gus the Crocodile:
if this is the kind of person who plays lots of CS:GO (or whatever) then their review is a legitimate reflection of the game's audience.

The problem is when they write a review for not-CSGO, and that review amounts to "Toxic teamates don't yell bad words at me while friendly firing me in spawn and destroying my MMR lootbox skins". Well, yea, that's true, but its also irrelevant to 99.9% of games, and you should stop playing CSGO.
Lần sửa cuối bởi Strai; 2 Thg11, 2019 @ 6:26pm
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