What if Valve would have its own Streaming Service like Stadia...

[Luux]

Let's say you can pay 10-15 bucks per month and can stream your entire Steam Library. Wanna play that one AAA game with insane graphics but don't want to buy a new PC for that? Go ahead, take the subscription for one month and enjoy. Maybe even Steam Workshop would work.
Oh, you finally decided to buy a new PC? Just download the game and play locally from that point on. You don't have to buy it twice, you have the same save files thanks to cloud saves.
You don't like the streaming stuff at all? Just ignore it. Steam works as usual.

That would be insane and would fit extremely well into the current Steam platform. The seamless integration into the steam economy could lead to some killer features compared to other streaming services.

[wuddih]

depends how many billions they wanna throw out of the window upfront. Valve doesn't have much own equipment and the games have to run on something that is capable of running them.

[Brian9824]

Luux původně napsal:

Let's say you can pay 10-15 bucks per month and can stream your entire Steam Library. Wanna play that one AAA game with insane graphics but don't want to buy a new PC for that? Go ahead, take the subscription for one month and enjoy. Maybe even Steam Workshop would work.
Oh, you finally decided to buy a new PC? Just download the game and play locally from that point on. You don't have to buy it twice, you have the same save files thanks to cloud saves.
You don't like the streaming stuff at all? Just ignore it. Steam works as usual.

That would be insane and would fit extremely well into the current Steam platform. The seamless integration into the steam economy could lead to some killer features compared to other streaming services.

Well for one legally they can't do that. Each game is sold separately otherwise how would the money be split? Some games you might be able to partner with them or do a lump sum offer but there is no way to just take even a small portion of the steam library and make it available via one subscription.

[wuddih]

brian9824 původně napsal:

Luux původně napsal:

Let's say you can pay 10-15 bucks per month and can stream your entire Steam Library. Wanna play that one AAA game with insane graphics but don't want to buy a new PC for that? Go ahead, take the subscription for one month and enjoy. Maybe even Steam Workshop would work.
Oh, you finally decided to buy a new PC? Just download the game and play locally from that point on. You don't have to buy it twice, you have the same save files thanks to cloud saves.
You don't like the streaming stuff at all? Just ignore it. Steam works as usual.

That would be insane and would fit extremely well into the current Steam platform. The seamless integration into the steam economy could lead to some killer features compared to other streaming services.

Well for one legally they can't do that. Each game is sold separately otherwise how would the money be split? Some games you might be able to partner with them or do a lump sum offer but there is no way to just take even a small portion of the steam library and make it available via one subscription.

you misread OP there a bit.

the way he approches this idea is actually very sane compared to other garbage that i read here...

there is no need for any split money.
you pay monthly, just for the ability to stream the games you already own on your account.
this is an on-top feature for the customer and does not negatively impact sales for the product owners.

maybe this will clear it up:
for a monthly fee, you have access to a powerful computer on the internet that acts as your personal Steam Link host.

which btw is already something you can do, just not for 15 bucks a month and you have to completely set it up yourself.

[Brian9824]

wuddih původně napsal:

brian9824 původně napsal:

Well for one legally they can't do that. Each game is sold separately otherwise how would the money be split? Some games you might be able to partner with them or do a lump sum offer but there is no way to just take even a small portion of the steam library and make it available via one subscription.

you misread OP there a bit.

the way he approches this idea is actually very sane compared to other garbage that i read here...

there is no need for any split money.
you pay monthly, just for the ability to stream the games you already own on your account.
this is an on-top feature for the customer and does not negatively impact sales for the product owners.

maybe this will clear it up:
for a monthly fee, you have access to a powerful computer on the internet that acts as your personal Steam Link host.

which btw is already something you can do, just not for 15 bucks a month and you have to completely set it up yourself.

Ahh yeah i did, my bad

[Washell]

Not really a what if scenario. They're building up to it through Steam Link.

[Brian9824]

Washell původně napsal:

Not really a what if scenario. They're building up to it through Steam Link.

Steam link requires YOU to have the PC capable of running it though which is the big difference.

[Gwarsbane]

If you had bothered to use the search feature you would have discovered that there has been a number of topics about this already.

But well lets go over this again...


Stadia is going to be junk when its released.

Just to play at 720p 30FPS you're gonna need a minimum of 10 megabit per second internet connection.

If you want to play at 4k 60FPS, you're gonna need 35 megabit per second connection and the majority of people in the US do not have that. And yes its important for it to take of in the US because that is where the biggest target is for google. No other country has the population to support this along with the internet infrastructure. China does not have the infrastructure. But remember it has to be profitable all over the world for it to be kept going all over the world.

Also to be able to play at those speeds, you're gonna need to make sure no one else is using your connection at the same time because its going to be super laggy.

AND you better hope that you do not have a data cap because the 4K 60one will eat through something like 1 terabyte of data for just 2 hours of game play a day.

If you have a very high speed net connection, you either watch a lot of streaming shows, or you have a good gaming machine machine already. If you have a good gaming machine already, why are you using Stadia? If your house watches a lot of steaming shows, stadia is going to be super laggy.

Along with 10 bucks bucks a day, so far only 1 game has been announced as free, the rest of them you are going to have to buy anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKhe6ODDYKA


Right now, remote game streaming is pointless, you are going to need to have a high speed fiber optic connection which in North America is very expensive. Latency is going to kill this. You will literally need to be sitting close to google server for single player games, and multiplayer games I'm going to guess are going to be very laggy.

If Stadia isn't dead within the first year or two, I would be very surprised.


Oh and if you think you're going to be able to play this "any where" as is the claim they have made, well just consider what kind of net connection you're gonna need you're gonna need to steam it just while at home... can you watch 4k movies while on a bus? While in a hotel? While on a plane? No to all those. No to pretty much all quality and speeds for that stuff.


So instead of asking for Valve to do something like this, why not wait till googles one is actually out and you give it a try. Just going by the numbers that are going to be required, googles streaming service which has the highest chance of actually going somewhere because they have the servers to do it, is going to be crap for the majority of people out there.

Every remote gaming service so far has been crap and they have been expensive.

[Washell]

Gwarsbane původně napsal:

If you had bothered to use the search feature you would have discovered that there has been a number of topics about this already.

But well lets go over this again...


Stadia is going to be junk when its released.

Just to play at 720p 30FPS you're gonna need a minimum of 10 megabit per second internet connection.

If you want to play at 4k 60FPS, you're gonna need 35 megabit per second connection and the majority of people in the US do not have that.

Lets indeed:

The majority of the US doesn't have a 4K screen either. Even if they do, it remains to be seen it's used as the main screen for gaming. Stadia, especially for the next years, is more likely to be used as a cheap solution on second screens and tablets for (small) children than mainstream gamers who are already set up. Stadia is not going to fail over the 4k consumption, only 10% of people in the Steam Survey use a resolution greater than 1080p. It's a buzzword to get people's attention. It's not relevant for the day to day revenue and operation of the service.

Gwarsbane původně napsal:

And yes its important for it to take of in the US because that is where the biggest target is for google. No other country has the population to support this along with the internet infrastructure. China does not have the infrastructure. But remember it has to be profitable all over the world for it to be kept going all over the world.

You do realise that steam/valve makes most of it's money in Europe? Which is effectively a single country? Dwarfing the US by about 200 million people? And has always been praised for its excellent infrastructure in most of the countries? Even ones you wouldn't expect?

Also, China does have the infrastructure in the main cities, where the people live who can actually afford frivolous spending on games and such. Same goes for the US btw, minus the frivolous spending.