Word Minimum for Reviews.

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Edit: Before the discussion started I stated that 50 would be an appropriate number to limit people to, but now I believe that my original estimate was arbitrary and unfair. I still believe that there should be a minimum limit, whether it be 10, 15, 25 to stop people from posting ridiculously small and unhelpful reviews.


Seeing hundreds and hundreds of reviews just saying "Good Game, you should buy." is really not helpful, informative of the content itself and is just generally unhelpful.

I think there should be a minimum word count for reviews to be posted or, alternatively, to be made public.

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Първоначално публикувано от Washell:

As a company, you don't turn a minor irritation into a big problem.

I know you probably didn't mean it this way, but this is how I read this statement.

As a lucrative, international corporation with very little competition and billions of dollars invested into their system, you don't turn a community-wide problem, the community being possibly hundreds of millions of people, into a big problem no matter how minor the problem is.

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Първоначално публикувано от Esper:

Първоначално публикувано от Washell:

As a company, you don't turn a minor irritation into a big problem.

I know you probably didn't mean it this way, but this is how I read this statement.

As a lucrative, international corporation with very little competition and billions of dollars invested into their system, you don't turn a community-wide problem, the community being possibly hundreds of millions of people, into a big problem no matter how minor the problem is.

Arent we making a whale out of a minor thing here?


Bottomline is since this whole debate turns in circles

Try to READ and COMPREHEND what was said, please


This idea wouldnt stop trolls, period. And for the love of god dont make a comeback with the same "trolls who really want to abuse the system will do it anyway" counter.

Lemme break this down to you

1. People who want to make an intelligent summary but dont want to write a shakesperian novel will be affected. And unless you want ppl to artifically extend their phrase to meet such criteria, this doesnt help.

2. Trolls would copypaste any random garbage they can find

3. These are STILL not professional reviews


TL;DR the community mentality is the problem here, not the way reviews are structured and no amount of ducktapes thrown to it will magically fix it.

[The End]

Some people read the word "Reviews" and expect a complete review/breakdown of the game, Valve should have picked another word for the comments people leave when they use the recommend feature.

Personally I would love if I could use the recommend feature without writing a single word.

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Първоначално публикувано от 🎄Rockon🎄:

Some people read the word "Reviews" and expect a complete review/breakdown of the game.

No, just no. I expect, at least, an opinionated look at the content, not just "I thought it was good," and leave it at that. These are not helpful, but people still vote them up, because they agree with them. The misconception is not with the word "review," it's with the word "helpful".

[Black Blade]

So, lets make sure the spam will be in the same size as a legit review to make them harder to spot..

i find these suggestion unhelpful

If you want them to stop been seen i think we need to find a way to give a pat on the back to who helps more, and give less to who jokes around unhelpfuly (voters or reviewers)

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@Black Blade, If a minimum would be put into place, then all of the short review spamming would be gone. If they tried to put a short review in, and copy and paste it over and over, then it would be easier to spot.

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Първоначално публикувано от Esper:

@Black Blade, If a minimum would be put into place, then all of the short review spamming would be gone.

No, they would just be bigger. (As multiple people througout this topic has tried to tell you)

Първоначално публикувано от Esper:

If they tried to put a short review in, and copy and paste it over and over, then it would be easier to spot.

No, it would be more difficult to spot the spam reviews, you would have to read more of the review before you can deem it to be spam/unhelpfull. (As multiple people througout this topic has tried to tell you)

It is fine as it is, no need to make a small problem bigger.


/I'm out - This topic is going in circles, just like all other topics about this "problem".

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Първоначално публикувано от 🎄Rockon🎄:

Първоначално публикувано от Esper:

@Black Blade, If a minimum would be put into place, then all of the short review spamming would be gone.

No, they would just be bigger. (As multiple people througout this topic has tried to tell you)

Първоначално публикувано от Esper:

If they tried to put a short review in, and copy and paste it over and over, then it would be easier to spot.

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likewise, this is the point when i just had enough of this mockery


OP, next time please think through your suggestions

[Black Blade]

Първоначално публикувано от Esper:

@Black Blade, If a minimum would be put into place, then all of the short review spamming would be gone. If they tried to put a short review in, and copy and paste it over and over, then it would be easier to spot.

What is the issue really? short reviews, or joke/unhelpful reviews been voted as helpful?

what you suggest will solve short reviews, but that is not really the problem right?
Getting them longer is not hard
but on any case making them longer dose not solve the issue

also you saythat if they repeat the same thing over and over will make it easiyer to spot? as in easir then seeing a one liner?

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@Black Blade, okay...

A review cannot be spam if it contains only 3 words. It would become a spam review, if you saw it in multiple places by multiple people, so it would take more time, originally, to detect a short spam review than it would to read 50 words and see if it's copypasted.

Of course if it was deemed as spam, why can't all copies of it be filtered out of the system, or forced private? Why can't ASCII's be detected, it's literally an amalgamation of hundreds and hundreds of characters with very few letters. Perhaps a mod can confirm my suspicion that links from off-Steam are already filtered out of reviews (unless someone's account is linked to Youtube)?

People in this discussion that have said reviews like "10/10 would -- again are people's opinions," and that "they should be allowed to say what they want," these aren't their opinions. They are people using a meme to try and get likes, like people do with every other social media. This is a problem, particularly for a feature that was put in place to rate something.

[Tito Shivan]

Първоначално публикувано от Esper:

these aren't their opinions.

And that's your opinion.

Consider not everyone has the ability to properly express their views, so whether they express it on an long review or a meme it's an opinion regardless.

Dismissing a message because of the form isn't a constructive thing to do.

[cinedine]

Първоначално публикувано от Esper:

People in this discussion that have said reviews like "10/10 would -- again are people's opinions," and that "they should be allowed to say what they want," these aren't their opinions. They are people using a meme to try and get likes, like people do with every other social media. This is a problem, particularly for a feature that was put in place to rate something.

"10/10 ..." is NOT their opinion. The recommendation/thumbs up/upvote is their opinion. The text is a needless requirement to express this opinion.

I am all for a separation of recommendation/rating and review. That might solve the issue with spam reviews and those who want a meh-option.

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Първоначално публикувано от Tito Shivan:

Dismissing a message because of the form isn't a constructive thing to do.

I didn't dismiss it because of it's form, I dismissed it because of it's content.

[Laptop]

Първоначално публикувано от ~Ren~:

+1 OP

I happened to be browsing the reviews today and one such list I found:

http://steamcommunity.com/id/MasterS4W/recommended/

Every review is the same, you need to clamp down on this Valve, reviews like that that give no information whatsoever are a complete waste of time. Are the reports even looked at?

Jesus how sad do you have to be to spend all the time going through games posting that??!

I've reported one but honestly that is just sad.

[Zukabazuka]

Първоначално публикувано от ~Ren~:

Първоначално публикувано от Laptop65:

Jesus how sad do you have to be to spend all the time going through games posting that??!

I've reported one but honestly that is just sad.

It really irritates me when other people are writing detailed reviews that gives as much information as possible, then I see reviews like that which will add to the negtive score of a game giving a misleading score for that particular game.

and this topic has brought it up before, it doesn't matter how big limit you put, they will still get through. The problem becomes then having to read all the big ones because they would just copy the description of the game, mods said they did that for the badge during the December event.

When they are just a single letter its so easy to just skip it. People could just post another review for another game. Also some people don't feel like writing why they dislike the game and only want to down vote it.