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AskrHinnRauthi1848 2017 年 11 月 2 日 上午 8:21
Windows 10 on ARM Support?
It seems that new computers are coming out that are going to have way better battery life and run on ARM procesors [www.theverge.com] . It would be great to know that Steam will have support from Day 1 for these computers to play CS:Go and Civ VI.

I plan to get one to replace my Lenovo T420. Knowing tha Steam will run and that applications will be updated for ARM support will be great!
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Spawn of Totoro 2021 年 1 月 15 日 下午 5:04 
Windows 10 already supports ARM based CPUs. They just are not moving over to such system for desktops or Laptops. Honestly, there is no reason, nor advantage to doing so either, at least not for a long time and by then, there will likely be a better "Desktop CPU" that removes any limitations.

As for the OP:

I think Steam already works on ARM processors for PCs (Eg: MS Surface Tablets).
最后由 Spawn of Totoro 编辑于; 2021 年 1 月 15 日 下午 5:15
Satoru 2021 年 1 月 15 日 下午 5:36 
引用自 Spawn of Totoro
Windows 10 already supports ARM based CPUs. They just are not moving over to such system for desktops or Laptops. Honestly, there is no reason, nor advantage to doing so either, at least not for a long time and by then, there will likely be a better "Desktop CPU" that removes any limitations.

As for the OP:

I think Steam already works on ARM processors for PCs (Eg: MS Surface Tablets).

Steam 'barely' works on the Surface Pro X. And once you get that going, almost no games work under the emulation mode anyway especially 64-bit games. You're better off streaming Stadia or GeForceNow to a Surface Pro X
Omega 2021 年 1 月 15 日 下午 5:48 
引用自 Satoru
引用自 Spawn of Totoro
Windows 10 already supports ARM based CPUs. They just are not moving over to such system for desktops or Laptops. Honestly, there is no reason, nor advantage to doing so either, at least not for a long time and by then, there will likely be a better "Desktop CPU" that removes any limitations.

As for the OP:

I think Steam already works on ARM processors for PCs (Eg: MS Surface Tablets).

Steam 'barely' works on the Surface Pro X. And once you get that going, almost no games work under the emulation mode anyway especially 64-bit games. You're better off streaming Stadia or GeForceNow to a Surface Pro X
The compatibility layer on Windows just needs more work.

On Linux we have Box86 and it runs games really well.
https://youtu.be/7cUwN6g4HE0
^ This runs on a Raspberry Pi 4, if you don't know what that is it's a $35, credit card sized computer.

Now imagine what a decent $700 laptop can do.
最后由 Omega 编辑于; 2021 年 1 月 15 日 下午 5:49
Satoru 2021 年 1 月 15 日 下午 6:14 
That thumbnail is so fake it’s disgusting. They use the Hitman2 2018 thumbnail but they’re running the Hitman 2 from 2002

Do not confuse software rendering of a 2 decade old game as some kind of “accomplishment” that magically means you’re gonna run DotA2 on a pi.
Omega 2021 年 1 月 16 日 上午 3:43 
引用自 Satoru
That thumbnail is so fake it’s disgusting. They use the Hitman2 2018 thumbnail but they’re running the Hitman 2 from 2002

Do not confuse software rendering of a 2 decade old game as some kind of “accomplishment” that magically means you’re gonna run DotA2 on a pi.
The thumbnail is not important, it's the content of the video.

Both Hitman and Call Of Duty shown in this video do not have a software renderen, they runs 3D acceleration via DirectX9 which is translated over to OpenGL on the Pi.

Translating x86 instructions over to ARM instructions is not a hugely complex thing, it does not require a lot of extra processing power.

Box86 is still in early development and can only run 32bit applications, that is why all these old games are tested instead of modern ones. The latest game I have seen anyone run using Box86 would be Crysis.
https://youtu.be/zN1GAFXxqDw
Don't forget: $35 computer.

The most mature compatiblity layer would be the Rosetta 2 compatility layer by Apple.
https://youtu.be/erGZNjimTfg
It overal performs really well.
Nx Machina 2021 年 1 月 16 日 上午 4:18 
引用自 Omega
The thumbnail is not important, it's the content of the video.

The thumbnail is VERY important as it has to be of the actual game and footage used within the video. It is CLEARLY misleading and the content is made invalid by falsehood.
Omega 2021 年 1 月 16 日 上午 4:24 
引用自 Shogun Blade
引用自 Omega
The thumbnail is not important, it's the content of the video.

The thumbnail is VERY important as it has to be of the actual game and footage used within the video. It is CLEARLY misleading and the content is made invalid by falsehood.
No it doesn't , why do you people insist on blowing something this minor up.


There are two games both named Hitman 2.

The tumbnail matters not at all. The one who made the video Googled "Hitman 2" and picked whichever image looked best for his thumbnail.


You are making an elephant from a fruit fly.
最后由 Omega 编辑于; 2021 年 1 月 16 日 上午 4:26
Nx Machina 2021 年 1 月 16 日 上午 5:04 
引用自 Omega
No it doesn't , why do you people insist on blowing something this minor up.


There are two games both named Hitman 2.

The tumbnail matters not at all. The one who made the video Googled "Hitman 2" and picked whichever image looked best for his thumbnail.


You are making an elephant from a fruit fly.

The thumbnail HAS to be representative of the ACTUAL gameplay footage.

Lets see if Google agree with me after I reported the video.
TF2 A3OB TOMISLAV 2021 年 1 月 16 日 上午 6:33 
mabye elbrus cpus but that's primarily aimed at russian market.

Mostly being servers but can translate x86_64
Satoru 2021 年 1 月 16 日 上午 6:37 
引用自 Omega
The thumbnail is not important
The thumbnail is extremely important

If you post a thumbnail claimng you can run Hitman2 on a system, and use the 2018 artwork. Guess what people are gonna think

You can run Hitman 2 2018 on a Rasperry Pi

I'd excuse the use of Hitman2 in the tittle without a year clarification, as long as the thumbnail accurately depicted which game was being talked about.

That is AT BEST clickbait deception

It is fundamentally dishonest and a lie, its not hard to find the original Htiman2 artwork. you have the damn INTERNET FFS

it's the content of the video.

Yes and the 'content' is that they're running a 20 year old game in software emulation

Congrats, its amazing tha twe can also you know emulate old consoles on raspberry Pis too

That has LITERLALY NOTHING to do with anything modern and there is not 'magic' that is going t make a rasberri pi run DOTA2 in emulation mode

The fact that you're even suggesting this is possible means the video's deception worked.

The most mature compatiblity layer would be the Rosetta 2 compatility layer by Apple.

It overal performs really well.

Rosetta is literally hardware level emulation custom designed for the Macs. Nothing about that is even remotely usable in general purpose
最后由 Satoru 编辑于; 2021 年 1 月 16 日 上午 6:44
Omega 2021 年 1 月 16 日 上午 6:56 
引用自 Satoru
Are you mental

If you post a thumbnail claimng you can run Hitman2 on a system, and use the 2018 artwork. Guess what people are gonna think

You can run Hitman 2 2018 on a Rasperry Pi

That is AT BEST clickbait ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

It is fundamentally dishonest and a li
Once again making an elefant from a fly. You are blowing this WAY out of proportion.

No idea what ticked you people off to suddenly become so hostile.

引用自 Satoru
Yes and the 'content' is that they're running a 20 year old game in software emulation

Congrats, its amazing tha twe can also you know emulate old consoles on raspberry Pis too

That has LITERLALY NOTHING to do with anything modern and there is not 'magic' that is going t make a rasberri pi run DOTA2 in emulation mode

The fact that you're even suggesting this is possible means the video's deception worked.
A 20 year old game on one of the crappiest general purpose computers you can buy.

I never said anything about running modern games on a raspberry Pi. But I did imply that running modern games on decent ARM machine is perfectly possible.

There is no deception here.

Do I really need to invest in an ARM workstation and slap a big GPU in it just to prove you wrong?

引用自 Satoru
Rosetta is literally hardware level emulation custom designed for the Macs. Nothing about that is even remotely usable in general purpose
Rosetta 2 is software, not hardware. Specialized instruction sets used to accelerate these tasks do not make it a hardware solution. With that logic any piece of software is a hardware solution.
Nx Machina 2021 年 1 月 16 日 上午 7:18 
引用自 Omega
Once again making an elefant from a fly. You are blowing this WAY out of proportion.

YOU are wrong when trying to defend this.

The video MUST contain footage from the actual game of the thumbnail shown. The video does NOT and was reported because it breaks YouTube guidelines, one of those been - misleading thumbnail as can be seen in the link. https://ibb.co/vZbx4rd
最后由 Nx Machina 编辑于; 2021 年 1 月 16 日 上午 7:32
Crashed 2021 年 1 月 16 日 上午 8:23 
引用自 Spawn of Totoro
Windows 10 already supports ARM based CPUs. They just are not moving over to such system for desktops or Laptops. Honestly, there is no reason, nor advantage to doing so either, at least not for a long time and by then, there will likely be a better "Desktop CPU" that removes any limitations.

As for the OP:

I think Steam already works on ARM processors for PCs (Eg: MS Surface Tablets).
If the rumors are true then Windows 10 ARM will add x86-64 emulation. It already supports 32-bit x86 emulation.

It would probably help if Steam did add an ARM version of the WebHelper to maintain performance, as opposed to falling back to the 32-bit x86 WebHelper.
最后由 Crashed 编辑于; 2021 年 1 月 16 日 上午 8:26
cinedine 2021 年 1 月 16 日 上午 8:49 
引用自 Omega
引用自 Satoru
Rosetta is literally hardware level emulation custom designed for the Macs. Nothing about that is even remotely usable in general purpose
Rosetta 2 is software, not hardware. Specialized instruction sets used to accelerate these tasks do not make it a hardware solution. With that logic any piece of software is a hardware solution.

Hardware *level*. Not hardware. Rosetta is designed for Apple's ARM chips and nothing else. There is no further abstraction layer. It directly communicates with the chip's interface.
Crashed 2021 年 1 月 16 日 上午 8:52 
引用自 cinedine
引用自 Omega

Rosetta 2 is software, not hardware. Specialized instruction sets used to accelerate these tasks do not make it a hardware solution. With that logic any piece of software is a hardware solution.

Hardware *level*. Not hardware. Rosetta is designed for Apple's ARM chips and nothing else. There is no further abstraction layer. It directly communicates with the chip's interface.
Isn't it still an emulator?
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