Auction Permanently VAC'd CSGO Skins

[Kyru]

There's a disturbingly large amount of skins that are forever left unable to be sold or traded. 10's of thousands of dollars worth of skins are just sitting in the inventories of players who were VAC banned, never to see the light of a competive match ever again. I think that Steam/Valve should take after police departments, and confiscate and auction off these items of cheaters and hackers.

Just as with cars that have been taken from drug dealers and then auctioned off to their communities, the same should be done with these skins. Players would get to enjoy these daily or weekly auctions, where they would have a chance to get some very nice skins, possibly for much cheaper than standard market price. Along with that, Valve would get back some money for selling these skins, which would easily pay off the cost of hiring some people to code in an auction system.

This is truly a win-win situation, where skins don't just go to waste in people's inventories, the community gets an exciting opportunity for cheap skins, and Valve/Steam gets an extra source of income

[Spawn of Totoro]

引用自 techsimmons：

I never understood the argument that this is theft. You technically don't own the game, and an argument could be made you don't own the skins either. All Valve has to do is modify the ToS so that at least future usufructs could not effectively litigate in the event of such restrictions. If I were VAC banned I would gladly give up skins for the greater good. I cannot accept when things go to waste. And let's be honest, you can't really use your skins if banned, as most servers are VAC protected, and unprotected servers may contain cheating/modifications/cyberbullying to the point it's not realistically worth engaging. At present, the banned player is limited to such a degree that a case could be made Valve is already "stealing" from them. For example, if one owns an extortionate (or any) motor vehicle and is cited with criminally negligent operation, and the officer stipulated they cannot sell, and cannot use said vehicle. This would be what I consider "partial theft," as the rights to use the property have been taken. We are not being intellectually honest when suggesting the skin-using banned still has skins insofar as it is relevant. Thus, I see no rebuttal to Valve liquidating or distributing these seized assets. If anyone has a counter-argument to my deduction I would love to see it.

If you were looking out for the greater good, you wouldn't have gotten a VAC ban to begin with.

An officer can not day someone can't sell said vehicle as it is still the person's property.

Revoking or limiting the person's license in some way is different. They still have ownership, but their use is limited.

Same with skins. The users still retain ownership of the license to use them, but that use is restricted to use as they had cheated other people. They still have their items, but their license has now been restricted.

There is no such thing as partial theft. That is like saying someone taking a single slick of gum is not commiting theft as they left the other 19 pices behind.

There is simply to reason why Valve should remove those items from said account, especialy as the user has paid for them. They are guilty of cheating in the game, not trade fraud.

If we are being intellectually honest, then what happnes to a VAC banned account is simply none of our buisness as it does not effect up in any negitive way, so what happens to the worthless pixels tied to that account doesn't matter either.

[Flurdy]

引用自 B l u e b e r r y P o p t a r t：

I'd like something like that, there was or still is a game (forgot what game it is)

Don't play the game so i'm not 100% sure, but i believe Runescape does this.

[wesinat0r]

I appreciate the responses to my argument. To start my only legitimate defense to these, any CS:GO patron is, in essence, paying for the right to use the game and all in-game content. And if Valve were to be completely open about a new rule, had it approved by whatever regulation, and notified all users, how could it be theft? Hypothetically, if someone came to your house and stole play money out of your old Monopoly board game, would you file a police report over the missing "funds?" It makes little sense to cry "theft" when you had something that is worthless (as far as I see) that you never really owned to begin with. For all we know, Valve could one day decide to end operations and dismanlte the Steam network, rendering all purchased titles unplayable, and in-game skins inaccessible. If you argue it is theft before this (hopefully never) happens, then you must concede it is theft after Steam terminates the platform. Maybe I am missing something here. It just seems the theft argument doesn't hold much water when you really put it to the test. But I admit, if Valve were to suddenly confiscate skins under the current ToS, it could be considered a violation punishable by law. But I do think Gaben is smart enough to find a legal workaround if he actually cared about making .0001% more profits.

[The Giving One]

引用自 techsimmons：

I never understood the argument that this is theft. You technically don't own the game, and an argument could be made you don't own the skins either.

The users can still use those items on non-VAC secure servers. They still have a use for them and a reason to keep them, and it would be theft to take them away like it is being suggested.

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4044-qdhj-5691#eligible

"What games can I play if I've been VAC banned?"

VAC banned accounts can still play single-player games, local LAN games, and multiplayer on non VAC-secured game servers. To find non VAC-secured servers, from the Steam main menu click on View, select Servers, then select Not secure in the Anti-cheat dropdown.