Steam Downloading Sucks!

[Podexy]

I was so irritated at my trickling downloading speed. LIterally just kept randomly having my downloads stop and go, stop and go. So I thought it was my computer which is brand new. So I factory reset it. 5 Hours later after reseting the freaking thing. Guess what still doesnt work. The dang steam downloading software! I said hey maybe its still my computer or something. Since ya know steam is a Multi-Billion Dollar company. Revolving around people buying there games, but no they dont give a damn about us trying to play the games we buy. After alot of frustration I tried battle.net to download SC-II and Diablo 3. Worked awesomely. Was downloading at 13mbs and finished in no time. I live in central US so I changed the download server to like 5 different ones so far. STILL keeps happening . Like seriously gaben? Cut the crap. I really dont wanna buy anymore games from steam, specifily for this reason.There just lucky dota 2 if free XD.

[MonkehMaster]

SilverHawk の投稿を引用：

crunchyfrog の投稿を引用：

That's because they workd differenlty as we've said.

You're making a flawed equivalanece there.

And please stop with the silly "you'll get this on the forums here". That sounds as if you're painting people as zealots. I am not that at all.

All I can do is advis based on EVIDENCE.

So what evidence do you have for YOUR claims?

Just see the other download complaints here on this forum. And also, all threads complaining about Steam itself.
Do a search for SLOW DOWNLOAD on the forums. There are threads about the 2015 bug that has never been fixed(I reported it back in 2015)(download stopping bug due to WiFi, yet the above mentioned programs all download at blazing fast speeds on WiFi).

oldest post i seen about the slow downloads was something about steam hammering our dns when downloading, tho i wouldnt know if thats still an issue.... and im sure it has nothing to do with steams current slow download nonsense.

personally, the whole slow download nonsense, that steam seems to do is is ridiculous, i dont know what bs download/update system they came up with or are using, but loads of people pay for fast downloads and we get our speed in virtually everything on the internet, but when it comes to steam, we get crap speeds and extra nonsense to help make the issue worse...

anywho, you are right, its been an issue for quite some time, years ago, steam downloads were almost always quick and i would always hit my download speeds, but now a days with whatever they changed, downloading seems to stall out through whatever process nonsense they are doing when downloading/updating our games.

tho i will mention, not all games use whatever nonsense download/update process steam seems to think is good, but im sure glad to be paying a high monthly internet bill to have garbage downloading speeds on steam (which i use the most), that stop and start constantly and updates that show some 100's of MBs and end up updating whole freaking games in upwards of double digit GBs... gaming now a days seems to be nothing but frustration and waiting around for updates/patches before being allowed to play, i do get games need updating/ect.. but some times things get a bit ridiculous and steam seems to be the only place anyone has trouble with.

and jumping through hoops the hopefully get those speeds isnt an answer (for those who like to give "advice"), nor is making odd statements of IO, storage drive speeds, ect..... when sata ssd's (or even faster m.2 ssd's) can easily keep up with our download speeds everywhere else on the internet.

[𝑀𝒾𝓈𝓈 𝒥𝒶𝑒]

I have over 200mb on broadband and get upto around 28mb/s through Steam with some launchers providing up to 50mb/s so don't expect a miracle.

It's not your internet, it's just Steam.

[crunchyfrog]

SilverHawk の投稿を引用：

crunchyfrog の投稿を引用：

That's because they workd differenlty as we've said.

You're making a flawed equivalanece there.

And please stop with the silly "you'll get this on the forums here". That sounds as if you're painting people as zealots. I am not that at all.

All I can do is advis based on EVIDENCE.

So what evidence do you have for YOUR claims?

Just see the other download complaints here on this forum. And also, all threads complaining about Steam itself.
Do a search for SLOW DOWNLOAD on the forums. There are threads about the 2015 bug that has never been fixed(I reported it back in 2015)(download stopping bug due to WiFi, yet the above mentioned programs all download at blazing fast speeds on WiFi).

THat's not how logic works.

You can' find TONS of posts online about alien abducation. Doesn't make them true, does it?

The facts are as I gave. This is WELL documented and if you read those very posts you claimed about, you'd see it mentioned there too.

I'm sorry, but I can only advise you of reality. You can choose to eblieve it or not.

[Elucidator]

I made a feedback thread on the download and installation system for you all:
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/SteamClientBeta/discussions/3/3415431214851495540/
(if you can, please comment about problems in detail and on how Steam could improve this there)
(also comment on if I said anything that is wrong there)
Again, like I mentioned in that thread as well, people here and I myself included are trying to help you and, at the very least I believe you.
I'm saying that because I don't want you to think that we try to make you look crazy at least and I know that there is diffidently place for improvement.

Anyway, this, like I said in this thread before, is a community forum, so you can post here if you think it is something you yourself can fix (with help from other steam users). If its caused by the client, providing feedback at the client forum is better as this place often remains unchecked. This is also why I made that thread.
(and no, oddly enough there is no recent feedback thread posted there about this. The number of bug reports there on slow downloading is also pretty limited)
Please check next time before declaring an assumption as true. People tend to be more lazy then you'd expect basically. (This often happens partly because they think its a lot wilder spread than what it is, and because they assume someone, anyone of them has done it already... (I'm not saying it isn't wide spread. Perhaps people just don't notice it and perhaps its better connected in very specific areas, idk. Maybe windows 11 updates are involved. There are too many factors of uncertainty as to why you experience these issues.) )

So with that out of the way, I hope this at least helps.

[Brian9824]

Words have consequences の投稿を引用：

I have over 200mb on broadband and get upto around 28mb/s through Steam with some launchers providing up to 50mb/s so don't expect a miracle.

It's not your internet, it's just Steam.

Sounds like someone getting Mb and MB confused TBH.

200 Mb = ~25MB

Although if you have issues with d/l speed most of the time its your ISP throttling steam, not steam itself

[HaroldTheNorse]

There are lots of people who conflate a problem description with a guess as to the cause of that problem. When those people post "SLOW DOWNLOAD" on the forums it doesn't qualify as evidence that Steam's content delivery networks are slow.

By evidence, I think that crunchyfrog means understanding of how Steam content delivery system is designed, including the client software, and analysis of where the bottleneck is in game update throughput. A simple test would be to use a browser to download a large file from Steam's CDN servers and test the bandwidth. Betcha that would be continuously very fast. Steam updates are doing a LOT more than simply downloading files, as several posters have explained. Did you watch Task Manager to watch for patterns in the CPU activity, storage device activity, network activity. Betcha that when network activity seems low the CPU and storage device activity are high. That's because the CPU and storage device are the bottlenecks sometimes. It's an optimization that is intentional. If you're not aware of that then you don't understand how Steam updates work.

[MonkehMaster]

brian9824 の投稿を引用：

Words have consequences の投稿を引用：

I have over 200mb on broadband and get upto around 28mb/s through Steam with some launchers providing up to 50mb/s so don't expect a miracle.

It's not your internet, it's just Steam.

Sounds like someone getting Mb and MB confused TBH.

200 Mb = ~25MB

Although if you have issues with d/l speed most of the time its your ISP throttling steam, not steam itself

no it isnt, most isps dont even throttle anymore unless you go over a bandwidth cap, that and i can tell ya, my isp doesnt throttle at all and steam still has issues with download speed, i can hit my max speed everywhere but steam, tho my download speed was fine years ago on steam, until they changed something.

[Brian9824]

MonkehMaster の投稿を引用：

brian9824 の投稿を引用：

Sounds like someone getting Mb and MB confused TBH.

200 Mb = ~25MB

Although if you have issues with d/l speed most of the time its your ISP throttling steam, not steam itself

no it isnt, most isps dont even throttle anymore unless you go over a bandwidth cap, that and i can tell ya, my isp doesnt throttle at all and steam still has issues with download speed, i can hit my max speed everywhere but steam, tho my download speed was fine years ago on steam, until they changed something.

Its been well documented that ISP's have been well known to throttle high traffic sites
https://www.highspeedinternet.com/resources/how-can-i-tell-if-my-internet-is-being-throttled-by-my-isp#:~:text=An%20ISP%20wants%20a%20specific,to%20their%20normal%20monthly%20fee.

There is a big debate on it right now as some are charging high traffic sites a premium to avoid the throttling and some sites are paying, others are refusing and there is a lot of litigation going back and forth. This has gotten worse because of the net neutrality laws that were repealed in 2018 by the former president.

For instance Netflix pays several ISP's to not throttle their data so you can't rule it out
https://www.extremetech.com/computing/186576-verizon-caught-throttling-netflix-traffic-even-after-its-pays-for-more-bandwidth

Again though its more likely its confusion over Mb vs MB as the numbers are pretty close if you convert

[Elucidator]

If it really is network only, and this internet related (not because of your ssd/hdd being too busy or occupied), then indeed throttling could be a cause.

and a pseudo vpn like https://developers.cloudflare.com/warp-client/get-started/windows/ maybe the solution to avoid that.
(pseudo, because it doesn't hide your ip or your location. It changes your packets, making your ISP think its something else)

[crunchyfrog]

MonkehMaster の投稿を引用：

brian9824 の投稿を引用：

Sounds like someone getting Mb and MB confused TBH.

200 Mb = ~25MB

Although if you have issues with d/l speed most of the time its your ISP throttling steam, not steam itself

no it isnt, most isps dont even throttle anymore unless you go over a bandwidth cap, that and i can tell ya, my isp doesnt throttle at all and steam still has issues with download speed, i can hit my max speed everywhere but steam, tho my download speed was fine years ago on steam, until they changed something.

Sorry but you're wrong. Steam is international.

There are many different internet providers all over the world and some regions DO have weird download limits and throttling. So you cannot say it doesn't exists because we've seen evidence of it on here.

So now they changed something about 5 years ago? LIke what? Because we've not seen any evidence of that.

[MonkehMaster]

crunchyfrog の投稿を引用：

MonkehMaster の投稿を引用：

no it isnt, most isps dont even throttle anymore unless you go over a bandwidth cap, that and i can tell ya, my isp doesnt throttle at all and steam still has issues with download speed, i can hit my max speed everywhere but steam, tho my download speed was fine years ago on steam, until they changed something.

Sorry but you're wrong. Steam is international.

There are many different internet providers all over the world and some regions DO have weird download limits and throttling. So you cannot say it doesn't exists because we've seen evidence of it on here.

So now they changed something about 5 years ago? LIke what? Because we've not seen any evidence of that.

who said it doesnt exist? im pretty sure i never said that at all.

[crunchyfrog]

MonkehMaster の投稿を引用：

crunchyfrog の投稿を引用：

Sorry but you're wrong. Steam is international.

There are many different internet providers all over the world and some regions DO have weird download limits and throttling. So you cannot say it doesn't exists because we've seen evidence of it on here.

So now they changed something about 5 years ago? LIke what? Because we've not seen any evidence of that.

who said it doesnt exist? im pretty sure i never said that at all.

I'm not saying you did. I'm saying that you referring to it not happening to you is moot. The fact is I don't know why you';d mention it because it DOES happen on here.