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BLOOD ASYLUM 11 ENE 2022 a las 9:25 a. m.
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Discord Chat and a DDOS Attack On My Steam Account
I was in a public discord chat where everyone was trolling/trash talking each other, it was actually kinda funny. One guy wasn't a fan of me poking fun at him and he DDOSed my steam profile, it was inactive and it was generic numbers. Couldn't log into it. He then started asking me if I deleted my account, and asked that I give it to him so he could look me up. Screenshot em' and told em nah dude you're just trying to dos me so I screenshot people like you. He giggled and kept asking me to give him my account. He stopped when I stopped paying attention to him. I reported him to that servers moderators but we have a problem here.

1. He pulled an IP? through discord. Safe to assume it's third party.
2. I'm pretty sure he's asking me to 'give him' my account info so it seems like I'm consenting to his next step of hacking me.
3. Would a VPN be able to stop this? How the hell was he able to target steam and not my internet as a whole?!
Última edición por BLOOD ASYLUM; 11 ENE 2022 a las 9:25 a. m.
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Muppet among Puppets 13 ENE 2022 a las 1:41 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por BLOOD ASYLUM:
It's painfully obvious, and when interacting with the individual, he targeted my steam. Whatever he did, however he did it, he had to be able to go through me. A VPN should help hide my IP. This thread can be locked. The nay sayers are just trolls at this point. If they haven't seen anything like this in their years they're naive to what's lurking out there.
A vpn shows another ip. But its no difference from the "hackers" perspective. Its just another number to call your computer.

And again, if someone in discord could affect your computer, the bots that try your computer randomly as soon as you connect to the internet, test all that is possible. They dont need to talk to you about what they do, dont ask how you feel, they just do it.
And your router and computer should say "no".
rawWwRrr 13 ENE 2022 a las 7:32 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por BLOOD ASYLUM:
It's painfully obvious, and when interacting with the individual, he targeted my steam. Whatever he did, however he did it, he had to be able to go through me. A VPN should help hide my IP. This thread can be locked. The nay sayers are just trolls at this point. If they haven't seen anything like this in their years they're naive to what's lurking out there.
Just do us all a favor and refrain from telling others that someone DDOS'd your Steam Profile. Not only is factually incorrect, misuse of the term "DDOS" is so cringe these days and it's nullified the meaning behind what a DDOS really is.
Judgmental Amaterasu 13 ENE 2022 a las 11:43 p. m. 
Holy crap this abortion of a thread still exists
Elucidator 14 ENE 2022 a las 3:50 a. m. 
I am just reading this thread, haven't commented before or anything. Just saying, since its kinda late game I guess.

First of all, @OP could you wake up a bit from your fantasy land? I get that you're emotional, upset, angered, confused, and want to know answers; however in your current state you just hear what you want to hear or attacks. It makes me wonder if you're just a child or if you have some serious narcistic issues. You don't even understand the problem, so your fantasy land and imagination cannot explain what happened, and you must realize at least somewhere people are trying to help you, not attack you.
The subject is a bit more complex. Its because what you think happened is possible. It is very unlikely, but you feel that you need to be sure. In fact you feel like you're so sure of this possibility you're not open to any other answer.
Look, the world isn't about you. You're not of special interest or a main character. Also, people generally are clueless about computers and extremely lazy and you cannot randomly conclude if someone is capable of hacking or not, especially when there are so many who don't know how their own microwave works. If you are open at least to other options, then please be awake and look at the real world in front of you instead of into the mess in your head, where you imagine possibility A and B and think those actually happened. If for some reason you cannot, you likely have mental issues, so I recommend getting yourself tested for schitzofrenia and narcistic personality disorder and see if they can help you with anything.

Publicado originalmente por BLOOD ASYLUM:
I was in a public discord chat where everyone was trolling/trash talking each other, it was actually kinda funny. One guy wasn't a fan of me poking fun at him and he DDOSed my steam profile, it was inactive and it was generic numbers. Couldn't log into it. He then started asking me if I deleted my account, and asked that I give it to him so he could look me up. Screenshot em' and told em nah dude you're just trying to dos me so I screenshot people like you. He giggled and kept asking me to give him my account. He stopped when I stopped paying attention to him. I reported him to that servers moderators but we have a problem here.

1. He pulled an IP? through discord. Safe to assume it's third party.
2. I'm pretty sure he's asking me to 'give him' my account info so it seems like I'm consenting to his next step of hacking me.
3. Would a VPN be able to stop this? How the hell was he able to target steam and not my internet as a whole?!

This post alone makes it clear to me that you don't know how a computer works, even on a global scale. Its like you see stone walls and windows, but not realize that its a building with floors and stuff inside of it.

Discord is insecure, extremely insecure. Its like as if a bank were to use their safe as a front door with the door left open. All the criminal needs to know is how to search through it.

People who know so little on how things on the internet work really shouldn't be using such an insecure platform.


Publicado originalmente por BLOOD ASYLUM:
I did report the incident to Valve, and I bought a VPN.
This immediate reaction also hints highly that you don't know much about computers and that you act on emotion, and hopes brought by false advertisement.
You know how advertisement works, hopefully right? VPNs don't protect you from this at all, never mind that they just say things and abuse peoples emotions to make people buy into their product even though its bogus in the way they state it. A VPN hides your public IP to an extend, that is all it does. (well, it also decides your default DNS, so it still reads where you go like your ISP and sends to to the proper place or through whatever 'network' they work, etc.)

Watch the video Cathulhu posted here: pretty much explains it all:
Publicado originalmente por Cathulhu:
For all the wrong reasons.
Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVDQEoe6ZWY

Before you try to point the blame to someone else, accept what you did and that it was a mistake. Don't write it of 'it happened because' 'because' etc etc. Again, emotions, narcissism happening. (everyone has a bit of it at least). I know you'd like to point the blame to someone else at this point, but that is useless. I am not trying to make you feel guilty or punish you, but you need to realize, you were in control, not any of them. If you cannot accept that, again go see a therapist.


Publicado originalmente por BLOOD ASYLUM:
It just seemed to mirror a ddos attack. Where your service goes down. This was weird because it was just steam. He started to ask if I deleted my account, and while I was using it I noticed it stopped working, when I clicked my profile it was just numbers. Then when he seemed to let off, similar to a DDOS I was cool. But in order for him to get to me, I assume he needs an IP. Which made me realize, if he can do that, VPN it is.

He doesn't need your IP. You have a connection with him through discord and if he is doing anything he is abusing that. People only need to know your IP if they need to communicate with your network and haven't established a connection yet. You log into discord, you connect to a server, they can just get stuff from you through your message's metadata or tokens, etc..

In fact if they do it right they can find your real IP if the VPN client is bogus level and didn't hide that from your own computer.



Look I can explain to you what a DDOS attack is and how it works, how it could be possible for him to timely make it look like from your end that the profile page was down (using prediction of your action, which is very easy when you're acting on emotions like this), that is "if" he did any of that. (Like others explained, its more likely a cause of abusing 'pure coincidence' that steam wasn't working well at that time, etc.)

but the thing is, my post is already long and idk if you even want to know. Are you open to that information or will you write it off somewhere, idk.

Going back to your first post. The third question is answered.
The first question, "did he" (who knows)
Is it possible to do? Its complicated but yes, you can get someone's real information through discord due to its lack of security. Do you want to know? That would go in a seperate post.
The second question, idk what he wants. Just don't give him your account info and passwords and things should be fine. Consider editted screenshots just pieces of art, nothing to worry about.

(editted because typos)
Última edición por Elucidator; 14 ENE 2022 a las 3:57 a. m.
BLOOD ASYLUM 14 ENE 2022 a las 4:06 a. m. 
So basically I made a mistake buying a VPN, but it can stop DOSSING. Discord is easy to hack, and it's possible he did it.

I would say based off of my experience he did, and I'd say if it's so insecure it makes it likely.
Crazy Tiger 14 ENE 2022 a las 4:08 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por BLOOD ASYLUM:
I would say based off of my experience he did
No, that's just the narrative you're telling yourself.
BLOOD ASYLUM 14 ENE 2022 a las 4:09 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:
Publicado originalmente por BLOOD ASYLUM:
I would say based off of my experience he did
No, that's just the narrative you're telling yourself.

Cool I'll stay on this side of crazy
Elucidator 14 ENE 2022 a las 4:21 a. m. 
No, a VPN cannot stop (D)DOSsing.
If someone has a connection with you, then ddossing is possible through that connection, wether there is a VPN in between or not.

A Denial of Service attack is basically sending bogus and useless data over the connection to another computer in such an amount that you cannot load anything else online on the web. Your entire bandwidth is in use.
Of course this also means the attacker's pcs are quite busy.
It can be done through discord to you, through mere 'pinging', which is trying to see if there is a computer at the other end and let them say hello back.

If he did perform a trick, he likely directly did it to you not Steam as their systems are way too big to ddos using a very small network and wouldn't only affect your profile page timely.

but again its much more likely Steam just errored out.

Can he do more than this? Not unless you installed other things. He needs to send you some kind of program or make you load in some program for most things, which includes installing a virus. For example a bot, if he installed a bot that sends stuff to your end, then yeah. Without that he can just send you discord default stuff, such as making a page reload for no reason. there are limits even there, since for example he cannot edit your messages though since he would need your SSL footprint for that.

As to why your profile, its likely prediction of your actions. You just happened to go there when he hoped you did and found out.
(or he set up a fake website quickly that shows this hacked profile page, and you clicked on a link they send.)


Edit:
The easiest way to DOS someone through some chat client, especially if it embeddes files its easy, is by sending them a large file. They temporary lose the ability to connect to websites, etc. so they are temporarily DOSsed.
but this is often voluntary. (they click on accept for the download, but yes)
I mean that is what a DOS attack is essentially, except that when it is an attack its involuntary. (like a video that just embeds itself into chat and starts playing without you clicking buttons, eating up your internet)

so when Windows Update happens...
well, enough said I guess. Windows Update, especially on Windows 10 and 11, acts more like some kind of Virus than a program since you have no control. xD
Point being, you can call that a DOS attack, since it fits the marks.

Edit 2: I shouldn't have called it DDOS wrongly. DDOS is the botnet version of a DOS attack.
DOS involves one source, DDOS means many sources. The idea is the same though.
so I made an edit.
Última edición por Elucidator; 14 ENE 2022 a las 7:24 a. m.
crunchyfrog 14 ENE 2022 a las 5:01 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Muppet among Puppets:
Publicado originalmente por BLOOD ASYLUM:
It's painfully obvious, and when interacting with the individual, he targeted my steam. Whatever he did, however he did it, he had to be able to go through me. A VPN should help hide my IP. This thread can be locked. The nay sayers are just trolls at this point. If they haven't seen anything like this in their years they're naive to what's lurking out there.
A vpn shows another ip. But its no difference from the "hackers" perspective. Its just another number to call your computer.

And again, if someone in discord could affect your computer, the bots that try your computer randomly as soon as you connect to the internet, test all that is possible. They dont need to talk to you about what they do, dont ask how you feel, they just do it.
And your router and computer should say "no".
Possible, whether you are correct or not, does NOT mean evidence it has happened.

How many times has this been pointed out to you?

YOu CANNOT make such a leap of faith.

Again, even if it were the case, a VPN CANNOT work like you think it will. It CANNOT stop you getting DDOSed.
Última edición por crunchyfrog; 14 ENE 2022 a las 5:01 a. m.
rawWwRrr 14 ENE 2022 a las 5:12 a. m. 
At least now we can start having a rational conversation...

Publicado originalmente por BLOOD ASYLUM:
So basically I made a mistake buying a VPN, but it can stop DOSSING.
For the reason in which you bought a VPN, yes, it was a mistake for you. A VPN can have advantages but not for what you think it can do. Don't believe the advertisements you see for VPNs that build up the hype around them like they are some panacea for every evil on the Internet.

Publicado originalmente por BLOOD ASYLUM:
Discord is easy to hack, and it's possible he did it.
While I won't ever rule out that a specific service can be hacked, the likelihood that it happened on Discord is very slim. If someone had the ability to hack Discord, why would they target just you? For your IP? We've gone over this before that simply having an IP doesn't provide anyone any advantage. I've publicly posted mine earlier in this thread and I'm still here safe and sound.

If anyone is going to hack Discord, it's going to be to go after multiple accounts. They'll look for server owners to take over their servers and mass flood them with links and invites. Or they'll try to go higher into the system and steal login information or personal details like Nitro subscriber information en masse.

Publicado originalmente por BLOOD ASYLUM:
I would say based off of my experience he did, and I'd say if it's so insecure it makes it likely.
I'm sorry we couldn't convince you otherwise. I'm sure it might have seemed this way from your perspective.

Publicado originalmente por BLOOD ASYLUM:
I'll also note I'm a narcisist child who doesn't understand computers.
This was certainly a statement that didn't need to be said. The majority of us figured this out about you very early on.

I've been one of your biggest critics in here, but I've been trying to provide you with straight facts. You are more than within your right to protect yourself from those that would do you harm on the Internet. But you should also do so from a more informed perspective about what you're seeing and why you're seeing it.

I'll leave you to it then. I wish you luck in the future. Perhaps take a break from this thread and Discord and play one of those 359 games you own on Steam for a change.

L8r, dude.
MancSoulja 14 ENE 2022 a las 7:02 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Elucidator:
No, a VPN cannot stop DDOSsing.
If someone has a connection with you, then ddossing is possible through that connection, wether there is a VPN in between or not.

A DDOS attack is basically sending bogus and useless data over the connection to another computer in such an amount that you cannot load anything else online on the web. Your entire bandwidth is in use.
Of course this also means the attacker's pcs are quite busy.
It can be done through discord to you, through mere 'pinging', which is trying to see if there is a computer at the other end and let them say hello back.

If he did perform a trick, he likely directly did it to you not Steam as their systems are way too big to ddos using a very small network and wouldn't only affect your profile page timely.

but again its much more likely Steam just errored out.

Can he do more than this? Not unless you installed other things. He needs to send you some kind of program or make you load in some program for most things, which includes installing a virus. For example a bot, if he installed a bot that sends stuff to your end, then yeah. Without that he can just send you discord default stuff, such as making a page reload for no reason. there are limits even there, since for example he cannot edit your messages though since he would need your SSL footprint for that.

As to why your profile, its likely prediction of your actions. You just happened to go there when he hoped you did and found out.
(or he set up a fake website quickly that shows this hacked profile page, and you clicked on a link they send.)


Edit:
The easiest way to DDOS someone through some chat client, especially if it embeddes files its easy, is by sending them a large file. They temporary lose the ability to connect to websites, etc. so they are temporarily DDOSsed.
but this is often voluntary. (they click on accept for the download, but yes)
I mean that is what a DDOS attack is essentially, except that when it is an attack its involuntary. (like a video that just embeds itself into chat and starts playing without you clicking buttons, eating up your internet)

so when Windows Update happens...
well, enough said I guess. Windows Update, especially on Windows 10 and 11, acts more like some kind of Virus than a program since you have no control. xD
Point being, you can call that a DDOS attack, since it fits the marks.

A DDOS attack requires a botnet, no one on the face of the planet is going to the trouble and expense of either buying or creating a botnet to DDOS some guy on Steam.
Elucidator 14 ENE 2022 a las 7:13 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por MancSoulja:
A DDOS attack requires a botnet, no one on the face of the planet is going to the trouble and expense of either buying or creating a botnet to DDOS some guy on Steam.

Effectively yes, in most cases, but I was trying to explain what it is and how it works.
The examples I gave at the end is to demonstrate the experience/effect behind it.

If his network and computer are kinda low end (very small bandwidth internet) one guy could theoratically do it if they spam his modem. (through virtual machines or not)
but as I also tried to say it would mean his own pc would be 'busy'.
with a botnet, it would be easier,... but just to troll? Unfortunately there have been cases of this happening, but to target a random guy on Steam; like you said very unlikely. There is no major fun in it for the troller either, so what indeed would be the point. A DoS attack usually targets something on the web that lends a service (even if it is just a website) to others. Hense the name for this type of flooding attack, to stop other traffic from being processed.

I don't think a Denial of Service actually happened to this person. He just had a momentary connection issue due to some other reason. Maybe someone on his network was getting a few torrents or something. The effect is the same though, no internet, at least till the bandwidth is no longer in use.


I'll edit my previous post. I probably shouldn't have used DDOS, but DoS instead.
but OP kept calling it DDOS so I thought it would be more clear to them if I used the same term.
Última edición por Elucidator; 14 ENE 2022 a las 7:29 a. m.
Reggaejunkiedrew 14 ENE 2022 a las 7:36 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por MancSoulja:
Publicado originalmente por Elucidator:
No, a VPN cannot stop DDOSsing.
If someone has a connection with you, then ddossing is possible through that connection, wether there is a VPN in between or not.

A DDOS attack is basically sending bogus and useless data over the connection to another computer in such an amount that you cannot load anything else online on the web. Your entire bandwidth is in use.
Of course this also means the attacker's pcs are quite busy.
It can be done through discord to you, through mere 'pinging', which is trying to see if there is a computer at the other end and let them say hello back.

If he did perform a trick, he likely directly did it to you not Steam as their systems are way too big to ddos using a very small network and wouldn't only affect your profile page timely.

but again its much more likely Steam just errored out.

Can he do more than this? Not unless you installed other things. He needs to send you some kind of program or make you load in some program for most things, which includes installing a virus. For example a bot, if he installed a bot that sends stuff to your end, then yeah. Without that he can just send you discord default stuff, such as making a page reload for no reason. there are limits even there, since for example he cannot edit your messages though since he would need your SSL footprint for that.

As to why your profile, its likely prediction of your actions. You just happened to go there when he hoped you did and found out.
(or he set up a fake website quickly that shows this hacked profile page, and you clicked on a link they send.)


Edit:
The easiest way to DDOS someone through some chat client, especially if it embeddes files its easy, is by sending them a large file. They temporary lose the ability to connect to websites, etc. so they are temporarily DDOSsed.
but this is often voluntary. (they click on accept for the download, but yes)
I mean that is what a DDOS attack is essentially, except that when it is an attack its involuntary. (like a video that just embeds itself into chat and starts playing without you clicking buttons, eating up your internet)

so when Windows Update happens...
well, enough said I guess. Windows Update, especially on Windows 10 and 11, acts more like some kind of Virus than a program since you have no control. xD
Point being, you can call that a DDOS attack, since it fits the marks.

A DDOS attack requires a botnet, no one on the face of the planet is going to the trouble and expense of either buying or creating a botnet to DDOS some guy on Steam.

Nobody is going out of there way to acquire a botnet for a purpose like this, but there are people who have access to one who will use them if their ego gets bruised.

I used to run a small mumble server and Minecraft server (like 10 people) and there was a dude who went in there we managed to piss off enough that he had his friend DDoS our servers multiple times. Confirmed DDoS because the hosting company of the minecraft server informed us what happened.

To be clear, OP is out to lunch and I'm not implying they were ddosed in their situation.
Última edición por Reggaejunkiedrew; 14 ENE 2022 a las 7:37 a. m.
Dr.Shadowds 🐉 14 ENE 2022 a las 10:17 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por BLOOD ASYLUM:
So basically I made a mistake buying a VPN, but it can stop DOSSING. Discord is easy to hack, and it's possible he did it.

I would say based off of my experience he did, and I'd say if it's so insecure it makes it likely.
Discord is not hacked if it was, then he should know your email, and password. DDOS is to stop your internet connection from working.

Publicado originalmente por BLOOD ASYLUM:
I'll also note I'm a narcisist child who doesn't understand computers.
Then there no reason why to argue with people that do understand how things works.
Publicado originalmente por BLOOD ASYLUM:
Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:
No, that's just the narrative you're telling yourself.

Cool I'll stay on this side of crazy
Being playing dumb, and arguing with others that explained things to you, does not help you, if you want help, I suggest start reading what everyone have posted in this discussion.
BLOOD ASYLUM 14 ENE 2022 a las 10:31 a. m. 
@Rawr I'll play with your mom instead.

@Everyone else. Yes I get it, I'm stupid, I'm a child, I'm a narcisist, I don't know anything, I think computere are a room with walls, I am paranoid, irrational.

Hackers aren't real, no one can hack me as long as I don't click a link or download something.
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