D55 Apr 25, 2021 @ 2:46am
Playing games without having to update them
I`m interested to find out if i can play games without updating them?

The example i have is i want to play mount and blade bannerlord with mods, the problem is if the game updates (which it seems to do a lot) it breaks my save and i have to start again losing all my progress.
I`m happy to play the game in its current state so i can have a good enjoyable play through the problem being if they release an update i have to update the game before i can play it.
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Zekiran Apr 25, 2021 @ 2:59am 
Go to that game's hub, and check to see if there are any beta branches of the game's development.

That's the only way. Particularly a game that has an online or multiplayer interaction as that one does, it's going to require it to be updated.
Ogami Apr 25, 2021 @ 3:02am 
In general, updates are mandatory before you can start a game. There really is no way around it.
As Zekiran already mentioned, SOME games offer a Beta Branch so you can keep them on a older version number. Those do not update unless you switch back to the current build.

But its very few games that do that, to my knowledge its mainly the games by Paradox and some other strategy games.
Last edited by Ogami; Apr 25, 2021 @ 3:05am
wuddih Apr 25, 2021 @ 3:04am 
If not already existent, ask the dev to use beta branches to serve multiple versions. If they don't wanna do it, you have to update and pray the modders will update too if stuff breaks.

Steam exists to keep stuff updated.
D55 Apr 25, 2021 @ 3:07am 
So ive found the beta options and theres around 10, ive selected E1.5.9 which is the latest one and i can see on my library that its now showing Beta E1.5.9 next to the game.
Now i have this in place steam wont try to update the game any longer unless i change that beta setting?
Apr 25, 2021 @ 3:07am 
What you are saying sounds new to me.

Game updates should not delete anything but just improve the game experience by both fixing, solving and correcting both existing and found bugs, issues, glitches, exploits, vulnerabilities, problems and etc.

But game updates should not delete saved game files and even not modify them at all obviously because it just doesn't making any sense to me!

If you say that you can't load your game after updating your game then probably that the update modified the game that you want to play in such a way that the modified game could not find your saved game files that's all.

This should not happen to you at all but if it really happens to you then the developers did something wrong then and they must both fix, correct and solve it quickly.

You should report this issue and problem to the developers immediately.

Maybe in the next update you will be able to load your game and progress.

And more about game updates in general there are LARGE updates that modify A LOT the game for everyone that want to play it and this is not always possible to start playing the game until the installer of the game update made some required important progress.

For example when the Holloween and Christmas events started I couldn't play Overwatch until these updates were at least 80% complete and installed because these updates are LARGE and they modify A LOT the game for all these that want to play Overwatch and obviously they are modifying the game a lot bringing a lot of new cosmetics, including new skins, new sprays, new voice lines, new emotes and etc, that you will suddenly see in matches that you will participate in, and new game modes to the Arcade.

You can't expect start playing Overwatch without having this LARGE update while all the rest do have this LARGE update.

Do you understand now?
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Ogami Apr 25, 2021 @ 3:09am 
Originally posted by D55:
So ive found the beta options and theres around 10, ive selected E1.5.9 which is the latest one and i can see on my library that its now showing Beta E1.5.9 next to the game.
Now i have this in place steam wont try to update the game any longer unless i change that beta setting?

Correct. It will forever stay on that version without updating till you switch manually back to the current version.
On the downside you wont get any new patches or new DLC for the old version unless you switch to the current one.
Last edited by Ogami; Apr 25, 2021 @ 3:10am
wuddih Apr 25, 2021 @ 3:22am 
Originally posted by D55:
So ive found the beta options and theres around 10, ive selected E1.5.9 which is the latest one and i can see on my library that its now showing Beta E1.5.9 next to the game.
Now i have this in place steam wont try to update the game any longer unless i change that beta setting?
Yes, except when the dev updates that branch for some reason, then you would get that update.
Apr 25, 2021 @ 3:24am 
Originally posted by Ogami:
Originally posted by D55:
So ive found the beta options and theres around 10, ive selected E1.5.9 which is the latest one and i can see on my library that its now showing Beta E1.5.9 next to the game.
Now i have this in place steam wont try to update the game any longer unless i change that beta setting?

Correct. It will forever stay on that version without updating till you switch manually back to the current version.
On the downside you wont get any new patches or new DLC for the old version unless you switch to the current one.
Well sure this is solving your "I can't load my game and progress" problem but this should be a temporary and not a permanent solution because this is not recommended to play any game that is neither updated nor patched.

If you will encounter and find any bugs, issues, glitches and etc that are bothering you and you don't want these troubles then you have to get them fixed and corrected by downloading and installing any updates and patches that fix all these troubles.

Also you won't be able to play multiplayer over the network and the world if your version of the game does not match the version of others that you want to play with cooperatively or against competitively.

I highly recommend you to both update and patch your game once the developers solved your "I can't load my game and progress" problem in an update or patch and stay up to date so you can also play multiplayer with everyone you love and have better experience from the game that you like to play in general.

Right now if you didn't report yet then report your problem to the developers so they know that this problem exists and they will work out a solution to this problem for you and then release a new update or patch for you (in fact for everyone) that solves this problem for you and for everyone of course.
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D55 Apr 25, 2021 @ 3:36am 
I appreciate all the help, its hard to explain the game and situation unless youve played it, i understand what you`re saying but having the game stay in its current state for a month lets me have a play through, i can then come back to it when i want to play again and let it update by changing the Beta option, this is exactly what i want to do.

Im also not playing the multiplayer feature my only interest is to play the single player sandbox/free play mode where i can mod the game and make my character and see how the game develops.

When the game updates it changes its module versions which there are a few and all the mods interact with the games default modules, so when the game updates it breaks all the mods i have installed and it in turn breaks my saves.
Also loading a game that doesnt have the mods in that it was saved with and the correct version numbers also breaks the save.

It wouldnt be so bad if the game was a 10 hr linear game but its a story of a characters life and highly immersive so losing a save game can be heart breaking, the answer is to wait for it to come out of early access but as i`ve waited over 8 years for it to get to this state im keen to play it.

Again thanks everyone for your help its really appreciated
Last edited by D55; Apr 25, 2021 @ 3:38am
Apr 25, 2021 @ 3:47am 
Originally posted by D55:
I appreciate all the help, its hard to explain the game and situation unless youve played it, i understand what you`re saying but having the game stay in its current state for a month lets me have a play through, i can then come back to it when i want to play again and let it update by changing the Beta option, this is exactly what i want to do.

Im also not playing the multiplayer feature my only interest is to play the single player sandbox/free play mode where i can mod the game and make my character and see how the game develops.

When the game updates it changes its module versions which there are a few and all the mods interact with the games default modules, so when they game updates it breaks all the mods i have installed and it in turn breaks my saves.
Also loading a game that doesnt have the mods in that it was saved with and the correct version numbers also breaks the save.

It wouldnt be so bad if the game was a 10 hr linear game but its a story of a characters life and highly immersive so losing a save game can be heart breaking, the answer is to wait for it to come out of early access but as i`ve waited over 8 years for it to get to this state im keen to play it.

Again thanks everyone for your help its really appreciated

I think that these updates and patches cause you to lose all your progress because you are playing a modded game.

I don't think that this is happening at all in unmodded game.

Beaware that game mods can also cause bugs and issues like updates and patches since they all modify the game that you are playing but game mods unlike updates and patches are made by the community and not by the developers of the game.

This is also possible that the mods of the community are conflicting with the updates and patches of the developers and these conflicts are creating new problems that you want get them solved.

Of course that I won't expect you to disable any mod that you want to play with in your game but if the conflicts that I mentioned above earlier are really exist and causing your problems then this will be very hard for the developers to solve your problem, because the developers have to make their updates and patches work in a way that they don't conflict with all the mods of the community that you want to play with in your game.

The developers that make and release new updates and patches tend to assume that their game is unmodded.

They don't take into account what will happen if the game that they update or patch is also modded by someone from the community.

The developers make sure that their updates and patches will work in unmodded game but they don't promise that they will also work in a modded game.
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Washell Apr 25, 2021 @ 3:48am 
Originally posted by FOREVER A LOSER:
What you are saying sounds new to me.
Then maybe you have a gap in your knowledge and shouldn't be giving advice until you fill it?
Originally posted by FOREVER A LOSER:
Game updates should not delete anything but just improve the game experience by both fixing, solving and correcting both existing and found bugs, issues, glitches, exploits, vulnerabilities, problems and etc.

But game updates should not delete saved game files and even not modify them at all obviously because it just doesn't making any sense to me!
The game in question is in early access. Often, choices made in earlier stages of development become problematic and code has to change, breaking savegame compatibility in the process. You may not have heard of it, but it's extremely common. You deal with it by staying on the same branch until, if and when development reaches a point where it's worth losing your save and starting over, you're finished with your current save, or simply don't play (or even buy) the game until it's finished.
Originally posted by FOREVER A LOSER:
I highly recommend you to both update and patch your game once the developers solved your "I can't load my game and progress" problem in an update or patch and stay up to date so you can also play multiplayer with everyone you love and have better experience from the game that you like to play in general.
These issues rarely get fixed because the amount of time and effort into converting saves to a new version is usually not worth the hassle, especially with a player base aware of the risks of early access.
Originally posted by FOREVER A LOSER:
I think that these updates and patches cause you to lose all your progress because you are playing a modded game.
Just stop please. Until you have a clue what you're talking about.
Last edited by Washell; Apr 25, 2021 @ 3:50am
Apr 25, 2021 @ 3:58am 
Originally posted by Washell:
Originally posted by FOREVER A LOSER:
What you are saying sounds new to me.
Then maybe you have a gap in your knowledge and shouldn't be giving advice until you fill it?
Originally posted by FOREVER A LOSER:
Game updates should not delete anything but just improve the game experience by both fixing, solving and correcting both existing and found bugs, issues, glitches, exploits, vulnerabilities, problems and etc.

But game updates should not delete saved game files and even not modify them at all obviously because it just doesn't making any sense to me!
The game in question is in early access. Often, choices made in earlier stages of development become problematic and code has to change, breaking savegame compatibility in the process. You may not have heard of it, but it's extremely common. You deal with it by staying on the same branch until, if and when development reaches a point where it's worth losing your save and starting over, you're finished with your current save, or simply don't play (or even buy) the game until it's finished.
Originally posted by FOREVER A LOSER:
I highly recommend you to both update and patch your game once the developers solved your "I can't load my game and progress" problem in an update or patch and stay up to date so you can also play multiplayer with everyone you love and have better experience from the game that you like to play in general.
These issues rarely get fixed because the amount of time and effort into converting saves to a new version is usually not worth the hassle, especially with a player base aware of the risks of early access.
Originally posted by FOREVER A LOSER:
I think that these updates and patches cause you to lose all your progress because you are playing a modded game.
Just stop please. Until you have a clue what you're talking about.

Just stop please. Until you have a clue what you're talking about.

I was used to be a developer in the past and I am speaking from my experience and I know what I am talking about sir!

All what I am saying is possibilities.

Of course that I can't tell for sure what is really causing author's problem.

Of course that I can't tell for sure if anything of what I said is true and correct or not until I have any proof or evidence that confirms this.

Of course that I don't have any proof nor evidence so all what I can do is to say what may or might do this but of course I can't really be sure if this is really the case or not.

But if there is a problem and you want to get it solved then you must find and catch the thing that is causing this problem but how can you find and catch it if you don't guess and try any possibilities?

How are you going to solve the problem otherwise then?

And of course that whenever you save your progress the progress is saved into a file in some format.

Developers chose this format but later then they decided to change the format, because the old format caused the files to be too large and space consuming and the new format is more efficient because the files are now much smaller and space efficient, but now because the format was changed the method or function that loads your progress was changed too to use the new format and not the old format and because of this you can no longer load any progress that was saved in the old format but in the new format instead.

Still the developers could try somehow to convert the old format files to the new format files so their clients don't have to lose all of their progress!

Of course that I don't have any proof or evidence that shows that this is correct, but this is still a possibility and you can't deny that this is possibility until you have any proof or evidence that shows that I am wrong!

Another POSSIBILITY is that the old format was too COMPLEX and as a result all the methods and functions that used this old format their code was TOO COMPLEX, UNREADABLE and UNMAINTAINABLE as well and the new format is much SIMPLER and as a result all the methods and functions that deal with this new format their code is much SIMPLER, READABLE and MAINTAINABLE for the developers.

I don't have any proof or evidence for this too but this is still a POSSIBILITY and you can't DENY that this is also a POSSIBILITY until you prove me wrong!
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