Do game bans visually disappear from the account?

[Pranci]

Ok so, few years ago (nearly 4?) I got a game ban on an useless game I don't even care about. Now the thing is, I don't care about being unbanned, but I don't want the ban to appear on my profile because of a bad system. I heard game bans disappear after 7 years (you know, nearly 4 passed so other 3 years aren't that big of a deal), but is that true? Also, is there a way to hide it now without waiting the 7 years? (if the 7 years thing is true), I heard about removing the game from your library should work, but I think it got patched. Thanks if you let me know

[crunchyfrog]

Ursprungligen skrivet av The Sandvich Fairy:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Muppet among Puppets:

Since you can watch videos about games, demos are not necessary anymore.

And to see if it runs, you have 2 hours.

Demos should still be highly encouraged though.

In theory, yes, I'm with you.

But I know that in practice, it's often not that simple as it does take resources and time away from the team. Indeed, when you have not just videos available, but today's standard of disgusting crunch time, it's not really that feasible.

I mean, I wish it were, but...

[The Giving One]

Ursprungligen skrivet av cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Game bans haven't been around 7 years to test this theory yet. We can only assume they will just like VAC bans do.

And yes, the exploit was patched.

:qr:

I agree with this answer. We have seen cases, and can provide some level of evidence, that it's true for VAC bans. The red text goes invisible for everyone EXCEPT the one using the account.

It does not simply "go away". You can still see the red text after 7 years, for VAC bans.

However, I am not aware of it working or not for game bans. People seem to say it should or it might, but we just don't know yet.

Or rather, I have not seen evidence that it works for game bans the same way yet.

[crunchyfrog]

Ursprungligen skrivet av The Giving One:

Ursprungligen skrivet av cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Game bans haven't been around 7 years to test this theory yet. We can only assume they will just like VAC bans do.

And yes, the exploit was patched.

:qr:

I agree with this answer. We have seen cases, and can provide some level of evidence, that it's true for VAC bans. The red text goes invisible for everyone EXCEPT the one using the account.

It does not simply "go away". You can still see the red text after 7 years, for VAC bans.

However, I am not aware of it working or not for game bans. People seem to say it should or it might, but we just don't know yet.

Or rather, I have not seen evidence that it works for game bans the same way yet.

I defo agree here.

The only other caveat I can bring to the table here, and I fully admit this is just my gut feeling is that total game bans are permanent (but of course, it can vary according to the rules you agreed to with the creators or publishers).

The whole 7 year thing I'm fairly certain is a result of needing to conform to certain data protection laws, or at least it may well be part of it. Here in Britain and Europe data protection largely says you're allowed to hold ANY data on a personal account for no more than 7 years - this goes for debts, and also for stuff like inactive accounts, and I would assume, game bans as a flag on an account.

In any case, it seems rather coincidental.

[The Giving One]

Ursprungligen skrivet av crunchyfrog:

The whole 7 year thing I'm fairly certain is a result of needing to conform to certain data protection laws, or at least it may well be part of it. Here in Britain and Europe data protection largely says you're allowed to hold ANY data on a personal account for no more than 7 years - this goes for debts, and also for stuff like inactive accounts, and I would assume, game bans as a flag on an account.

In any case, it seems rather coincidental.

I never thought of it that way. Could be, and that's a good point. Another fun thing about it that I like is that it fights wrongful account transferring and selling, even if only just a small amount.

Some know how to check the account for a VAC ban that is older than 7 years, but not everyone knows how to do that, and let's be fair....people engaging in the nefarious practices of moving accounts around *cough cough* are not always the sharpest tools in the shed.

So here is the potential buyer of an account, and they are looking at the profile, and they can't see the red text.

"Oooo... that account has some nice skins and games. I want that account." BOOM...imagine their shock when they get the login, and after paying money for the account, all to see that red text visible and banning that account from that game on VAC servers.

Gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside, to know they got suckered, because they violated the rules and tried to buy an account, which as we know, is a violation of the Steam Subscriber Agreement. And it can also be a scam. All the original user has to do is submit proof of ownership of that account, and get it back, leaving the fool that bought it holding an empty bag.

So I wonder sometimes if Valve also considered that. I originally thought it was just to help those that get heat from people that just constantly harass them over a ban that is just so old on the account, and making it invisible to others helps take away the persecution of an old ban. But now you got me thinking it might be other reasons. Thanks for that.

So we have to keep wondering if it works the same way for game bans. Personally, I can see how it might not....because game bans are a developer ban, and Valve only enforces them....they do not impose them. So unless there is some legal thing, I bet they stay visible after 7 years for some games. But I could be wrong.

EDIT...Unless it is a Valve game, of course.

[Ogami]

Ursprungligen skrivet av The Sandvich Fairy:

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=5406-WFZC-5519

https://www.neowin.net/news/valve-cans-20000-steam-accounts/

https://www.sk-gaming.com/content/8761-steam-accounts-disabled-update

If you'd like a source more in your ballpark

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4041289.stm

So basically, 3 links about the same event 16! years ago when Steam had like 5 games and a Steam FAQ that does not mention pirated games at all but "hacked Steam accounts or CD keys".

Thats... not the "gotcha" you may think.
Show me a single case in the last 10 years of someone getting banned for pirating games.

[crunchyfrog]

Ursprungligen skrivet av The Giving One:

Ursprungligen skrivet av crunchyfrog:

The whole 7 year thing I'm fairly certain is a result of needing to conform to certain data protection laws, or at least it may well be part of it. Here in Britain and Europe data protection largely says you're allowed to hold ANY data on a personal account for no more than 7 years - this goes for debts, and also for stuff like inactive accounts, and I would assume, game bans as a flag on an account.

In any case, it seems rather coincidental.

I never thought of it that way. Could be, and that's a good point. Another fun thing about it that I like is that it fights wrongful account transferring and selling, even if only just a small amount.

Some know how to check the account for a VAC ban that is older than 7 years, but not everyone knows how to do that, and let's be fair....people engaging in the nefarious practices of moving accounts around *cough cough* are not always the sharpest tools in the shed.

So here is the potential buyer of an account, and they are looking at the profile, and they can't see the red text.

"Oooo... that account has some nice skins and games. I want that account." BOOM...imagine their shock when they get the login, and after paying money for the account, all to see that red text visible and banning that account from that game on VAC servers.

Gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside, to know they got suckered, because they violated the rules and tried to buy an account, which as we know, is a violation of the Steam Subscriber Agreement. And it can also be a scam. All the original user has to do is submit proof of ownership of that account, and get it back, leaving the fool that bought it holding an empty bag.

So I wonder sometimes if Valve also considered that. I originally thought it was just to help those that get heat from people that just constantly harass them over a ban that is just so old on the account, and making it invisible to others helps take away the persecution of an old ban. But now you got me thinking it might be other reasons. Thanks for that.

So we have to keep wondering if it works the same way for game bans. Personally, I can see how it might not....because game bans are a developer ban, and Valve only enforces them....they do not impose them. So unless there is some legal thing, I bet they stay visible after 7 years for some games. But I could be wrong.

EDIT...Unless it is a Valve game, of course.

Yup, that's pretty much how I see it - game bans are pertinent to the developer or publisher concerned, so I guess literally anything could happen within reason.

The thing is with that 7 years stuff is that it's about visible data generally, so a game ban, like the infamous Xbox 1000 year bans, are perfectly fine and legit.

[Pranci]

Ursprungligen skrivet av The Giving One:

Ursprungligen skrivet av crunchyfrog:

The whole 7 year thing I'm fairly certain is a result of needing to conform to certain data protection laws, or at least it may well be part of it. Here in Britain and Europe data protection largely says you're allowed to hold ANY data on a personal account for no more than 7 years - this goes for debts, and also for stuff like inactive accounts, and I would assume, game bans as a flag on an account.

In any case, it seems rather coincidental.

I never thought of it that way. Could be, and that's a good point. Another fun thing about it that I like is that it fights wrongful account transferring and selling, even if only just a small amount.

Some know how to check the account for a VAC ban that is older than 7 years, but not everyone knows how to do that, and let's be fair....people engaging in the nefarious practices of moving accounts around *cough cough* are not always the sharpest tools in the shed.

So here is the potential buyer of an account, and they are looking at the profile, and they can't see the red text.

"Oooo... that account has some nice skins and games. I want that account." BOOM...imagine their shock when they get the login, and after paying money for the account, all to see that red text visible and banning that account from that game on VAC servers.

Gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside, to know they got suckered, because they violated the rules and tried to buy an account, which as we know, is a violation of the Steam Subscriber Agreement. And it can also be a scam. All the original user has to do is submit proof of ownership of that account, and get it back, leaving the fool that bought it holding an empty bag.

So I wonder sometimes if Valve also considered that. I originally thought it was just to help those that get heat from people that just constantly harass them over a ban that is just so old on the account, and making it invisible to others helps take away the persecution of an old ban. But now you got me thinking it might be other reasons. Thanks for that.

So we have to keep wondering if it works the same way for game bans. Personally, I can see how it might not....because game bans are a developer ban, and Valve only enforces them....they do not impose them. So unless there is some legal thing, I bet they stay visible after 7 years for some games. But I could be wrong.

EDIT...Unless it is a Valve game, of course.

if you buy accounts you should just be banned period, don't expect a clean account when you buy one at a cheap price

[crunchyfrog]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Pranci マッティア:

Ursprungligen skrivet av The Giving One:

I never thought of it that way. Could be, and that's a good point. Another fun thing about it that I like is that it fights wrongful account transferring and selling, even if only just a small amount.

Some know how to check the account for a VAC ban that is older than 7 years, but not everyone knows how to do that, and let's be fair....people engaging in the nefarious practices of moving accounts around *cough cough* are not always the sharpest tools in the shed.

So here is the potential buyer of an account, and they are looking at the profile, and they can't see the red text.

"Oooo... that account has some nice skins and games. I want that account." BOOM...imagine their shock when they get the login, and after paying money for the account, all to see that red text visible and banning that account from that game on VAC servers.

Gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside, to know they got suckered, because they violated the rules and tried to buy an account, which as we know, is a violation of the Steam Subscriber Agreement. And it can also be a scam. All the original user has to do is submit proof of ownership of that account, and get it back, leaving the fool that bought it holding an empty bag.

So I wonder sometimes if Valve also considered that. I originally thought it was just to help those that get heat from people that just constantly harass them over a ban that is just so old on the account, and making it invisible to others helps take away the persecution of an old ban. But now you got me thinking it might be other reasons. Thanks for that.

So we have to keep wondering if it works the same way for game bans. Personally, I can see how it might not....because game bans are a developer ban, and Valve only enforces them....they do not impose them. So unless there is some legal thing, I bet they stay visible after 7 years for some games. But I could be wrong.

EDIT...Unless it is a Valve game, of course.

if you buy accounts you should just be banned period, don't expect a clean account when you buy one at a cheap price

Of course, but that wasn't the point.


It was that such people are generally a bit less forthright and diligent in checking, so even though they're doing shady stuff, they're generally often none too clever.

[BossGalaga]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Pranci マッティア:

Ursprungligen skrivet av The Sandvich Fairy:

Spacewar...you're clearly looking to get another account/game ban it looks like. So which game you pirating/cheating in?

bro you are mad for what? Look at my ban, it was 4 years ago, last time I opened "spacewar" was 1 week ago (?). So how can I be banned from spacewar? Anyway I never cheat lol and yes I "pirated" a game (phasmophobia) cuz I wanted to try it with friends. Guess what, I didn't like it, unistalled, done, do I have to spend money on a game that I don't know if I'm gonna like (in fact I didn't) or should i try it before if no game demos are available?

You haven't played 10+ hours of Spacewar because you want to "try it with friends." You're using a known exploit to pirate Steam games. You're not fooling anyone there. And somehow I doubt you were gamebanned because of a "bad system" unless by bad system, you mean the developer's anti-cheat doing its actual job.

[Muppet among Puppets]

Why would banning someone from a drm system and from the games they bought for that drm system
helping anyone?

[Pranci]

Ursprungligen skrivet av BossGalaga:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Pranci マッティア:

bro you are mad for what? Look at my ban, it was 4 years ago, last time I opened "spacewar" was 1 week ago (?). So how can I be banned from spacewar? Anyway I never cheat lol and yes I "pirated" a game (phasmophobia) cuz I wanted to try it with friends. Guess what, I didn't like it, unistalled, done, do I have to spend money on a game that I don't know if I'm gonna like (in fact I didn't) or should i try it before if no game demos are available?

You haven't played 10+ hours of Spacewar because you want to "try it with friends." You're using a known exploit to pirate Steam games. You're not fooling anyone there. And somehow I doubt you were gamebanned because of a "bad system" unless by bad system, you mean the developer's anti-cheat doing its actual job.

2 thing: first, you know spacewar doesn't only work with one game only? No, then stfu. Second, stop necroing this, thanks, it's already an old post for me, I got the answers I wanted and stop, bye

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

My advice, unsub and move on.

[Pranci]

Ursprungligen skrivet av cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

My advice, unsub and move on.

:qr:

yes, doing it right now, thanks for the answers to anyone who didn't want to start an useless fight

[crunchyfrog]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Muppet among Puppets:

Why would banning someone from a drm system and from the games they bought for that drm system
helping anyone?

Not sure. I didn't want to delve into that one for a couple of reasons - the OP had accepted it and wasn't really asking about that being changed or anything, but more importantly, as you hit on, I kind of assumed it was one of those daft crappy games from some asset flipper or similar.

Them people be mad as a handbag full of owls a lot of the time.