Poda 2020 年 8 月 5 日 下午 9:30
Can be banned if i use SAM to get all achievements?
Hi community I have a question using SAM and I'm curious if I unlock all the achievements of l4d2 can I get a can I be banned from using it? (The reason for using it is for an achievement very difficult to obtain and I am afraid that I will be banned.
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The Giving One 2020 年 8 月 5 日 下午 9:32 
There is no evidence that SAM will cause a VAC ban. Some game developers might ban your account for messing with achievements though, but that would be a game ban instead.

This question gets asked here quite often.
Sum Ting Wong 2020 年 8 月 5 日 下午 10:35 
引用自 The Giving One
There is no evidence that SAM will cause a VAC ban.

I would advice not using it for VAC protected games.
TheOddsBodkins 2020 年 8 月 6 日 上午 2:41 
CS:GO will Vac ban you if you use SAM. PAYDAY 2 (not a Vac game) will label you as a cheater and you will not be able to join in most games. Those are the games that I know of, that will give you a some kind of ban for using SAM. But I would not use SAM in any online multiplayer game. Especially if achievements give you reward items like PAYDAY 2 does.
Cathulhu 2020 年 8 月 6 日 上午 4:09 
引用自 TheOddsBodkins
CS:GO will Vac ban you if you use SAM.
WRONG!
The HopelessGamer™ 2020 年 8 月 6 日 上午 4:21 
引用自 TheOddsBodkins
CS:GO will Vac ban you if you use SAM. PAYDAY 2 (not a Vac game) will label you as a cheater and you will not be able to join in most games. Those are the games that I know of, that will give you a some kind of ban for using SAM. But I would not use SAM in any online multiplayer game. Especially if achievements give you reward items like PAYDAY 2 does.
Yeah no it wont. When using SAM, it never loads you into a VAC Secured Server so it cannot cause a Vac ban. SAM uses Steams API's to add and remove achievements.

Not to mention, its open source: https://github.com/gibbed/SteamAchievementManager

So if it was malicious, after so many years someone would have mentioned it in some regard on the Repository.

Something to note that i find rather interesting though do not rely on this specifically to tell whether or not something is safe, i personally think it is a contributing factor. xPaw the developer of https://steamstat.us/ and https://steamdb.info/ has contributed to SAM - Steam Achievement Manager. So one would assume it would be safe as this person works on so much stuff around the steam community that is specifically designed to help others and not cause harm.
最後修改者:The HopelessGamer™; 2020 年 8 月 6 日 上午 8:08
ElvisDeadly 2020 年 8 月 6 日 上午 4:36 
引用自 TheOddsBodkins
CS:GO will Vac ban you if you use SAM.

No it won't, this is incorrect
kitt 2020 年 8 月 6 日 上午 5:04 
引用自 Tweety
(The reason for using it is for an achievement very difficult to obtain and I am afraid that I will be banned.

the reason is that you are not willing to put in the efffort to obtain it.
crunchyfrog 2020 年 8 月 6 日 上午 8:06 
引用自 TheOddsBodkins
CS:GO will Vac ban you if you use SAM. PAYDAY 2 (not a Vac game) will label you as a cheater and you will not be able to join in most games. Those are the games that I know of, that will give you a some kind of ban for using SAM. But I would not use SAM in any online multiplayer game. Especially if achievements give you reward items like PAYDAY 2 does.

This is completely false.

CSGO will not ban you, and the Payday incident was dropped (no doubt after realising it was indefensible legally).

Though technically it IS a breach of your agreement or could be, you won't be banned for just using it to unlock achievements.

However, I would caution you to be careful. You WILL disppoint yourself in the future if you're over-zealous with it. I've seen many say "I wish I hadn't unlocked all those achievements as I'd now like to earn them legitimately". So your own conscience is the big thing here.

I've had to use SAM in the past myself - for certain games where achievements that should have popped didn't. I've had it in Killing Floor where a week-long grind to unlock the acheivement and a skin didn't pop at the last point. So I did it via SAM.

So yes, use it, but use it SPARINGLY. You'll thank yourself in the future for it.

It's much like cheats. I will happily cheat at any game I've thoroughly beaten and enjoyed for various reasons - to try out new stuff, or to hunt down secrets. I would never do it online because that spoils the fun. And you can't be banned for cheating in your own game, so why should this really be that different eh? You're affecting nobody else but yourself

最後修改者:crunchyfrog; 2020 年 8 月 6 日 上午 8:07
AustrAlien2010 2020 年 8 月 6 日 上午 8:23 
Even I don't have certain achievements. It's no problem. I wouldn't use some trick to get them, if I were you. Don't mess up your own account, man.
最後修改者:AustrAlien2010; 2020 年 8 月 6 日 上午 8:28
OPA 2020 年 8 月 6 日 上午 8:34 
引用自 AustrAlien2010
Even I don't have certain achievements. It's no problem. I wouldn't use some trick to get them, if I were you. Don't mess up your own account, man.
+1
crunchyfrog 2020 年 8 月 6 日 上午 10:25 
Just to be clear here, what The Giving One and davidb are saying is correct. You're not going to get a ban for using it.

And let me tell why I can confidently say this - can you imagine the legal ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that would ensue if some user were banned or prohibited access to a game for something that didn't affect others like this?

Even though it COULD technically be called against terms and conditions, you CANNOT overrrule statutory rights EVER. And ownership of a licence or game or whatever and it's access IS part of statutory rights.

So no, the only chance you're going to get where this COULD happen is if said achievement were somehow tied to the online experience and cheating it DID affect the other players.

Think about it - there's a reason that bans are only for that sort of behaviour - whether cheating or abusive behaviour. You're affecting others. Any ban on something that you did privately and nobody else could know, well, that's a legal ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I wouldn't wish on anyone.

It reminds me of my days on here when I still ran my legal advice charity - I would occasionally get people ask for help as they were banned or restricted somehow "wrongly" for a service and it almost always turned out to not be the case. It was THIER fault, and you know what - there was NEVER a case where this were not online impacting in some way.

And publishers and devs will be WELL aware of this.
Aeven 2020 年 8 月 7 日 上午 2:07 
引用自 crunchyfrog
Just to be clear here, what The Giving One and davidb are saying is correct. You're not going to get a ban for using it.

And let me tell why I can confidently say this - can you imagine the legal ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that would ensue if some user were banned or prohibited access to a game for something that didn't affect others like this?

Even though it COULD technically be called against terms and conditions, you CANNOT overrrule statutory rights EVER. And ownership of a licence or game or whatever and it's access IS part of statutory rights.

So no, the only chance you're going to get where this COULD happen is if said achievement were somehow tied to the online experience and cheating it DID affect the other players.

Think about it - there's a reason that bans are only for that sort of behaviour - whether cheating or abusive behaviour. You're affecting others. Any ban on something that you did privately and nobody else could know, well, that's a legal ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I wouldn't wish on anyone.

It reminds me of my days on here when I still ran my legal advice charity - I would occasionally get people ask for help as they were banned or restricted somehow "wrongly" for a service and it almost always turned out to not be the case. It was THIER fault, and you know what - there was NEVER a case where this were not online impacting in some way.

And publishers and devs will be WELL aware of this.

Dead by daylight devs have actually permanently banned people from the game for cheating their steam achievements. I don't know if they still do this but it was listed as a bannable offense and i saw people getting banned for unlocking their achievements with SAM.
最後修改者:Aeven; 2020 年 8 月 7 日 上午 2:07
crunchyfrog 2020 年 8 月 7 日 下午 1:15 
引用自 Aeven
引用自 crunchyfrog
Just to be clear here, what The Giving One and davidb are saying is correct. You're not going to get a ban for using it.

And let me tell why I can confidently say this - can you imagine the legal ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that would ensue if some user were banned or prohibited access to a game for something that didn't affect others like this?

Even though it COULD technically be called against terms and conditions, you CANNOT overrrule statutory rights EVER. And ownership of a licence or game or whatever and it's access IS part of statutory rights.

So no, the only chance you're going to get where this COULD happen is if said achievement were somehow tied to the online experience and cheating it DID affect the other players.

Think about it - there's a reason that bans are only for that sort of behaviour - whether cheating or abusive behaviour. You're affecting others. Any ban on something that you did privately and nobody else could know, well, that's a legal ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I wouldn't wish on anyone.

It reminds me of my days on here when I still ran my legal advice charity - I would occasionally get people ask for help as they were banned or restricted somehow "wrongly" for a service and it almost always turned out to not be the case. It was THIER fault, and you know what - there was NEVER a case where this were not online impacting in some way.

And publishers and devs will be WELL aware of this.

Dead by daylight devs have actually permanently banned people from the game for cheating their steam achievements. I don't know if they still do this but it was listed as a bannable offense and i saw people getting banned for unlocking their achievements with SAM.

No they do not do this now, for the reasons I stated. It's a legal ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ as they'd be liable for that.

Pointing out someone did it does NOT mean it's so. As they don't do it anymore, it's quite clear they ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up, as they have done a number of times, like wrongly banning people. So I wouldn't use their behaviour as any sort of professional yardstick.

最後修改者:crunchyfrog; 2020 年 8 月 7 日 下午 1:16
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