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2. You will always get a warning when clicking on links that wasn't whitelisted.
3. Steam does not, and will not support 3rd party sites, especially gambling sites.
4. Steam will not return lost/stolen items. They already got fed up with the amount of stupidity that happen for years every single day, and give warning, and place roadblocks to help refuse the amount of stupidity, which is did, but there are people willing to go the extra mile to get themselves scammed, or hijacked, support knows you can't fix the pure stupidity some people have.
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7623-IOFX-1021
5. Don't try to bypass the filter system, or promote phishing sites.
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4045-USHJ-3810
they are ALL scam.
Totally agree with all of what you said, especially your fourth point! And that is why it makes sense that only half of these sites and even those that I would assume to be the safest sometimes get hit with a warning label.
I must disagree with you there! Some of these sites I listed give an actual value to me and everyone that I traded with and I would consider my "closest friends on Steam" would probably agree that sites like:
and probably also "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥", "Playerauction" and "Gamerall" although I personally have not tried these last three sites.
are definitely not scams, are very helpful and offer a service that Valve/Steam did not think about like betting on competitive CSGO matches and even renting out skins to users which is such a great idea if you do not play CSGO all the time anymore!
Hell, I think you cannot even give any items to "CSGO Stash" the site only lists prices like "CSGO Steamanalyst". Yet, it still has gotten a warning label because people do not even know which sites can scam them or which you can actually give items to...
I really only noticed this issue because "Lootbear" is a site I recently really started to enjoy as you can rent skins out to other people and you can actually earn quite a bit of money from that. The issue with Lootbear was that it is hard to grasp how it works and to the average stupid Steam user they will likely set their item to selling eventhough they only wanted to rent it out and lose a bunch of money because it is sold at a way cheaper price than they would have wanted to set it for. And before you asked yeah that is what happened to me! But eventhough I lost at least 300 Euros because of the sale of an item that I wanted only as a rentable item I would still recommend this site. The support is great, you just got to be half decent at understanding Steam and item trades. I am sure the average stupid Steam user would already get upset and report the site to the Steam support for "scam" or "hijacking" just because when they actually rent the item out and it is returned to their bots after the person gave it back they will not understand why there is this 7-day-delay that got added because people were way too stupid in the first place!
I guess you could conclude that a lot of these "warnings about suspicious links" and the removal of these links on profiles has to do with what was said by:
Stupid Steam users reporting sites because they are either not careful enough or just flat out do not know what they are doing!
Sadly, the people who do know what they are doing and can tell the good offers from the scams, get the short end of the stick for the sake of the safety of the stupid!
Skin gambling and 3rd party trading on its own is not why such sites get blocked.
OPSKINS API use was revoked by Valve as they bypassed a security measure in place by Valve. Such actions are not allowed as the measure is in place for user protection.
https://blog.counter-strike.net/index.php/expresstrade/
Renting is not possible on Steam, so a site like Lootbear can not work the way they claim. It would be really easy for users to scam them by using fake/stolen credit cards, stolem/purchased account, ect. It is s bubble just waiting to burst and there is nothing they can do to prevent such activity.
Lootbear does a lot to make sure if someone scams someone who is renting skins they have to pay for it and not just the price of the skin but a lot more.
For example I myself cannot even rent more than one skin and none that are over 10 USD I think.
You have to add a valid credit card and confirm it with a picture of yourself and of your ID and credit card. If you still scam someone they will take legal action against you.
If you do not have any of those which a huge amount of scammers would not get their hands on you might as well try to scam people somewhere else!
They have a really good system on their hands if you ask me.
They could still if they wanted remove their site of the internet and try to claim all the skins for themselves but I am pretty sure they would lose way more money if they did that.
Their bots or anyone who they try to trade these skins to will all get banned and the items will be frozen in their inventories so that would be the worst a site can ever do.
The longer their services runs, the more people rent everyone elses skins and the more people can try Dragon Lores and expensive skins they would never be able to try because they can be upwards of 500 USD easily so paying 10 USD for such a skin to own them for a week is such a good idea to me. I really do not hope that this is a bubble like you said. I would love for Valve to implement such a system so I can rent skins with Steam backing me up completely. I am barely playing CSGO lately and that site finally gives me a way to earn a little bit of a cash back from the 3k to 4k I spend on all my skins at this point. I have no idea how some traders make 300 USD in skins into 10k USD in skins and up. I have no idea how this trading stuff works in terms of how to make a profit but renting is such a good idea and Lootbear has a great support that reacts quickly too and backing from a ton of big CSGO influencers on YouTube. So I hope that it will stay...
Like I said the site has already been flagged with the warning I was talking about and that one was the straw that broke the camel's back for me.
And I definitely understand that there is not much moderators could do, the system is pretty much automated at this point.
There could be users right now selling an item on Lootbear or any other sites flagged or not and because they did not understand what they where doing and because they somehow feel mistreated they are contacting Steam support at this very moment about that "CSGO Steamanalyst" site and how they somehow go scammed even though it was someone completely different and that is one those sites that is just there for price analysis anyway...
Make some piece of worthless trash look like it is worth a lot and then pick a target that won't know better and offer your "super valuable" item for their items that are totally worth less and then sit back and laugh as the person finds out they just gave away $100 dollars worth of items for junk that in reality won't even sell for 3 cents.
Stop doing that.
Okay, well that's already super suspicious and gives them everything they need to steal your identity, while also being really, really easy for a scammer to work around.
This is just laughable. If they make these claims to you on the site, that's how you know they're liars. There exists no legal action they can take. Nobody is getting dragged into court over it because trading items in steam is not illegal and they'll never actually be worth any amount of effort to pull anyone into a civil case even if they CAN make a compelling argument that there was some kind of legally binding agreement across international borders which involved breaking the terms of service of the service they were using. "They will take legal action", hah! Ridiculous, Such action would be unstartable.
Meanwhile, if you're violating the SSA by using their site exactly as you just described then the best you can hope for is having your account locked for SSA violations.
For reference, it's a really bad idea for you to go around and encourage or promote breaking the SSA.
It is when you're the one advertising and promoting the sites for them.
That is what pretty much every mainstream banking/crypto site does as well. Paypal could steal my identity the same way they could.
How is this even remotely "easy to work around"?
From Lootbear:
We require:
- A photo of the account owner (you) with a government issued ID, (driver’s license or passport) as well as a piece of paper saying “Lootbear” + the current date.
- A link to a social media account. (Facebook, LinkedIn, Instagram, VK, Twitter).
- Should the payment owner be a parent, the person who owns the debit/credit card will need to provide verification, along with the Lootbear account owner.
If the parent provides a valid government issued ID, the Lootbear account owner can provide any type of ID.
- A photo of the payment card used on file next to the ID. We need to see the last 4 digits, as well as the name.
I would love to see you get passed this if you are so sure it is "laughable":
- Risk evaluation AI - An adaptive machine learning system that evaluates each rent risk level in real-time. It uses hundreds of signals about each user & payment and taps into data across our network of 100,000+ businesses to predict whether a user or payment is likely to be fraudulent.
- Credit insurance - We authorize your payment with an international card issuer. Meaning, if an item is stolen, your credit company or bank will charge you 110% of stolen items value.
- Scam signal - If fraud has being detected, our system sends out a signal (report) to Valve and to your local law enforcement as a theft felony.
And honestly who cares about whatever the SSA is. I live in Europe anyway.