Team games are NOT Co-op!

[Wolfwood]

This has gotten very annoying.

Team games are NOT the same as Co-op games. I wish the co-op tag would stop being applied to games that are not actually Co-op.

Among Us, Dead by Daylight, War Thunder, Ultimate Chicken Horse, Marvel Rivals, Overwatch 2, the list goes on. If you're playing against other people even if its only 1 or 2, its a team game, not a co-op.

It makes it really difficult to find *actual* co-op games (ie games where you are not against ***any*** other person) when vs & team games get miss-tagged as co-op.

I can flag the tags on these games, but i know others wont bother to do this so the tags will remain. And those tags will still show up for those games in my lists regardless if i've flagged them.

Not sure if its Valve automatically doing it, Devs doing it, or players doing it, or a mix of the three, but it needs to be fixed.

[HikariLight]

Coop is short for cooperative.
If you are playing in the same team as others, then you are playing coop.
Even if your not communicating or working on the same exact thing, you are still doing co-op play towards the same objective.

[vioray]

that's the problem with tags, they're so open to interpretation. some people define co-op as co-opperative PVE games while others define it as any game with some co-opperation. to some co-op is only 2 people and no more, to some it's games that are only co-opperative and don't have a single player option. there's no real consensus

same thing happens with other tags. adventure game for example has been applied to games that couldn't be further from the adventure game genre but there's technically somebody having an adventure. anything can be tagged RPG because you're always playing a role of some kind. there's also more games tagged as psychological horror because somebody thought it would be funny than games that genuinely warrant the tag

[Watermelon {JESUS IS LORD}]

Originally posted by HikariLight:

Coop is short for cooperative.
If you are playing in the same team as others, then you are playing coop.
Even if your not communicating or working on the same exact thing, you are still doing co-op play towards the same objective.

nope coop is players vs entity or PvE

teams against teams i.e. humans vs humans is PvP players vs players

[Ben Lubar]

Originally posted by Wolfwood:

Not sure if its Valve automatically doing it, Devs doing it, or players doing it, or a mix of the three, but it needs to be fixed.

It's the second option. There are checkboxes for developers to select for the things listed in the black boxes on the right column of the store page.

Unless you're talking about the actual user-submitted tags for the game, in which case it's done by users but developers can ban and force-apply tags.

[Lunacy]

Co-Op is mostly used for 2+ player PvE (non-pvp) games and game modes.
Team Fortress 2 is mostly pvp, but Mann vs Machine is a pve co-op mode.
But the Saxton Hale mode, which is 1 souped player vs up to 23 other players, I consider that like a pseudo-coop.

[Elucidator]

When you don't think the tag is approperiate, click the flag icon.
You can click the flag to downvote a tag, much like how people can upvote it by pressing the plus icon.

Tags are set by users mainly. They are called "Popular Tags" because of this.

[imaginecatchynamehere]

There are a lot of redundant tags on Steam across games, due in large part, because of how user's apply them. You're fighting a battle in a war that's already lost.

Best bet is if you search the co-op (or online co-op) tag, is to also use the feature filter to select PvE. It won't remove all the team-based pvp games, but it does remove a good chunk of them.

[76561198407601200]

Originally posted by Wolfwood:

This has gotten very annoying.

Team games are NOT the same as Co-op games. I wish the co-op tag would stop being applied to games that are not actually Co-op.

Among Us, Dead by Daylight, War Thunder, Ultimate Chicken Horse, Marvel Rivals, Overwatch 2, the list goes on. If you're playing against other people even if its only 1 or 2, its a team game, not a co-op.

It makes it really difficult to find *actual* co-op games (ie games where you are not against ***any*** other person) when vs & team games get miss-tagged as co-op.

I can flag the tags on these games, but i know others wont bother to do this so the tags will remain. And those tags will still show up for those games in my lists regardless if i've flagged them.

Not sure if its Valve automatically doing it, Devs doing it, or players doing it, or a mix of the three, but it needs to be fixed.

If you co-operate with others to achieve a common goal it is co-op (or "cooperative" ), not necessarily "team", but still works as co-op.

[Ducks on Fire]

The problem is one of interpretation. I agree that as a tag Co-op should apply only to games were all players work together to play the game. But the thing is applying the tag to team games against other players is technically still accurate. You are indeed cooperating with other players to overcome challenges and win, it's just that those challenges happen to be another group of players. Again, I disagree with using the tag that way, but that's why many people feel like it's appropriate.

It's similar to the problem of the "city builder" tag being used for games like Age of Empires. It's not helpful at all since the term "city builder" refers to games with specific mechanics that AoE lacks entirely, but technically you do build cities so in a lot of people's minds it's a city builder.

This is always going to be a problem with user generated tags.

Originally posted by Watermelon {JESUS IS LORD}:

Originally posted by HikariLight:

Coop is short for cooperative.
If you are playing in the same team as others, then you are playing coop.
Even if your not communicating or working on the same exact thing, you are still doing co-op play towards the same objective.

nope coop is players vs entity or PvE

teams against teams i.e. humans vs humans is PvP players vs players

See the problem with that sort of super literal interpretation of a tag is that a tag using that specific definition makes it nearly useless. Again, it's technically correct, but by that logic a game about birds can be given the "dinosaur" tag. Tags serve a practical function: to help people find a specific type of game. Applying "co-op" to PvP team games because you are technically cooperating basically means that literally any multiplayer game that isn't a free for all would count. And that's just not helpful.

[T9]

Originally posted by HikariLight:

Coop is short for cooperative.
If you are playing in the same team as others, then you are playing coop.
Even if your not communicating or working on the same exact thing, you are still doing co-op play towards the same objective.

coop is where chicken live

[rawWwRrr]

It's a problem with tags overall. They can be highly suggestive. It doesn't help that some are confusing tags for genres. If a FPS "boomer shooter"--I don't agree with that name, but it's what is used now--has even just one campaign event that involves a race of some kind, it'll get tagged as Racing. Doesn't mean we're calling it a Racing game, now.

If your PvP MP has anything related to co-operation amongst team players to achieve a goal, it'll get tagged as co-op. Doesn't make it a strictly Co-op game, now.

[FOXDUDE69]

Well technically, you are cooperating, just against a human opponent.

Steam should just make a distinction between PVE Co-op and PVP Co-op.

[King of Games]

Valve doesnt care when Developers/Publishers misuse the tags on steam. Theres been games theyve claimed had gamepad support that didnt or pvp and didnt.
You can report the page in hopes someone will fix it. but reported a few pages multiple times over the years and they wont do anything about it.

[Chronocide]

Originally posted by Wolfwood:

Team games are NOT the same as Co-op games. I wish the co-op tag would stop being applied to games that are not actually Co-op.

Interesting point.

I agree that there should be a distinction between "players vs the computer" & "player teams vs other player teams"

Though I also see their point in calling both co-op. Need new terms.

[sandokanski]

Originally posted by Wolfwood:

Not sure if its Valve automatically doing it, Devs doing it, or players doing it, or a mix of the three, but it needs to be fixed.

So how do you fix the players or devs? I'm pretty sure Valve does not put tags themselves, unless on their own games.