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la merde Jan 18, 2021 @ 4:45pm

Denuvo Anti-Cheat has been integrated into Steamworks

I have read in the news, that the software and kernel driver Denuvo Anti-Cheat has been integrated into the Steamworks. It says, that now it would be easier for developers to integrate this stuff.

But what does that technically mean? Is it installed automatically within the Steam service or is it just an API-thing, and it might be installed if a game uses the software? Maybe someone can tell me more. The news unfortunately does not mention any technical details.

I ask, because I don't want this driver on my system and I might remove Steam in the future.

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Originally posted by Darren:

Originally posted by R4VI4TOR:
What people dont understand is that they are laying the basement for further Denuvo integration, and the driver, which at one point will be forcefully and nearly silent installed thats why everybody should fight it like the devil. The developers cannot be trusted, since they created Denuvo Protection with an backdoor option.

*shakes head* You've gotten it backwards.

Denuvo Anti-Cheat has integrated with Steamworks. Which means that it is now capable of issues Game Bans without the Developer of the application using Denuvo Anti-Cheat having to build that part of the logic themselves (i.e. get notified of cheat from DAC, send the appropriate message to Steam via Steamworks to indicate that this player should be flagged as game banned).

Steamworks itself is unchanged. Nobody is getting a driver installed anywhere (well unless they have a game that is using Denuvo Anti-Cheat and it needs one). Whether any game will take up DAC remains to be seen (it's a new player on the anti-cheat market so there is no doubt a lot of people dubious that it'd provide better results than the much older more established ones).

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cSg|mc-Hotsauce Jan 18, 2021 @ 4:46pm

Originally posted by la merde:
I have read in the news, that the software and kernel driver Denuvo Anti-Cheat has been integrated into the Steamworks. It says, that now it would be easier for developers to integrate this stuff.

But what does that technically mean? Is it installed automatically within the Steam service or is it just an API-thing, and it might be installed if a game uses the software? Maybe someone can tell me more. The news unfortunately does not mention any technical details.

I ask, because I don't want this driver on my system and I might remove Steam in the future.

Source?

la merde Jan 18, 2021 @ 4:48pm

I unfortunately only have two German web sites. But maybe you can use deepl.com for translation if needed.

https://www.golem.de/news/valve-denuvo-anti-cheat-in-steamworks-integriert-2101-153478.html#comments
https://heise.de/-5027633

cSg|mc-Hotsauce Jan 18, 2021 @ 4:49pm

Sorry... I see them...

https://techraptor.net/gaming/news/denuvo-anti-cheat-system-can-now-be-used-with-any-steam-game

https://www.pcgamesinsider.biz/news/71859/developers-can-integrate-denuvo-anti-cheat-into-games-via-steamworks-now/

So, it is basically making it easier to add to games and hopefully make it so it doesn't impact performance, where some users claim it still does.

Last edited by cSg|mc-Hotsauce; Jan 18, 2021 @ 4:51pm

Start_Running Jan 18, 2021 @ 4:52pm

It's basically an option for devs to implement. MUch like Steams DRM, and Valve Anti Cheat, or Mattchmaking. They've added another tool to the developer toolbox.

Spawn of Totoro Jan 18, 2021 @ 4:53pm

Originally posted by la merde:
I ask, because I don't want this driver on my system and I might remove Steam in the future.

From what I read, it just makes it easier for those who want to add it, to do so and configure it. It is still a decision from the game's developer.

Just like other anti-cheat programs are likely integrated as well. Anything "Game Ban" is by such a program.

It is not part of the Steam Client.

Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:
Source?

:qr:

https://irdeto.com/news/denuvo-anti-cheat-now-available-on-steamworks/

https://techraptor.net/gaming/news/denuvo-anti-cheat-system-can-now-be-used-with-any-steam-game

Those seem to be the top two possibilities.

No official statements form Steam/Valve though.

Last edited by Spawn of Totoro; Jan 18, 2021 @ 4:56pm

cSg|mc-Hotsauce Jan 18, 2021 @ 4:54pm

I was being lazy but I did find them.

Last edited by cSg|mc-Hotsauce; Jan 18, 2021 @ 4:59pm

Odra Jan 18, 2021 @ 4:58pm

Multiplayer oriented.
Optional for developers.
Denuvo AC is not Denuvo DRM.

Anything that gets more AC in mp games is ok in my book.

la merde Jan 18, 2021 @ 4:58pm

Thank you for the replies. I guess the techraptor.net is the most accurate web site. Looking good so far.

I know, that those both are different types. I am only focusing on the anti-cheat software. As I said because of the driver. That's all. It is nothing about the copy protection of the same company.

Last edited by la merde; Jan 18, 2021 @ 5:00pm

cSg|mc-Hotsauce Jan 18, 2021 @ 4:59pm

Nothing in the docs about it yet.

B l u e b e r r y P o p t a r t Jan 18, 2021 @ 5:19pm

Doesn't bother me, if it's something devs want to use so be it. I have not found issues as others have or performance problems in any game I ran with it in the past.

That being said I'd prefer it not be added to the games I play because it's been proven time and time again that it doesn't work and just makes people mad that it's in games for many different reasons.

Last edited by B l u e b e r r y P o p t a r t; Jan 18, 2021 @ 5:40pm

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st066by Jan 18, 2021 @ 5:34pm

I've read the news too, and it seems to be just an option for devs to opt-in for the service.
As much I could get more info around that subject, It seems, it was used only in one game so far, and that game is called Doom Eternal.

Funny or irony, the devs decided after already a week after release to remove said software.

Source:

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200521/11431944548/denuvos-anti-cheat-software-now-getting-ripped-games-record-speed-too.shtml

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Spawn of Totoro Jan 18, 2021 @ 5:47pm

Originally posted by st066by:
I've read the news too, and it seems to be just an option for devs to opt-in for the service.
As much I could get more info around that subject, It seems, it was used only in one game so far, and that game is called Doom Eternal.

Funny or irony, the devs decided after already a week after release to remove said software.

Source:

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200521/11431944548/denuvos-anti-cheat-software-now-getting-ripped-games-record-speed-too.shtml

Yep, due to people complaining and not understanding the difference between DRM and Ani-Cheat.

Though, to be honest, I am kind of iffy about installing any kind of root-kit as well...

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B l u e b e r r y P o p t a r t Jan 18, 2021 @ 5:49pm

I just can't wait for all the threads about this when everyone hears about it.

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Satoru Jan 18, 2021 @ 6:09pm

Really the integration is just "we can issue game-bans automatically"

That's like pretty much it.

It just saves the developer time of having to make their own code to submit game-ban requests to Valve. Its just built in as paert of Denuvo's anti-cheat product

Its is NOT PART OF STEAMWORKS

It simply has a way of talking to steamworks to make it easier for devs to manage and submit bans

Its a convenience feature, thats literally it.

Of course I know steam users will have a level headed calm and knowledgeable discussion about....

oh who are we kidding, this is gonna be a cluster bomb of stupidity

Last edited by Satoru; Jan 18, 2021 @ 6:14pm

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