I do not except the new terms and I will not be deleting my games or my account. PLEASE SIGN HERE.

[Zoltan]

I do not accept the new terms and I will not be deleting my games or my account. PLEASE SIGN

If you have not agreed to this or if you were not sure what you agreed to and you wish to retract your agreement. You have this option to be heard.

[crunchyfrog]

Escrito originalmente por wbino:

How do they know you're not blind and were just wildly clicking your mouse?
Or your dog or cat jumped on your desk/mouse?

They dont. That's an ability that YOU are aware of and it's incumbent upon YOU to accommodate it.

That's how the law works.

Consider this, you're absolutely blind and using your scenario you got in a car and because you couldn't read and didn't know that you couldn't drive and weren't allowed, you went off and driove, and inevitably caused a massive accident.

Do you think your ignorance of the law is any sort of defence?

[Tito Shivan]

This very same demand was brought twelve years ago, when Valve added the EU refund waiver clauses.

Do you know what happened?

Nothing.

Do you know what will happen now?

Nothing.

Date limit will come and you will launch the Steam client, accept the terms by doing so and keep playing your games.

[crunchyfrog]

Escrito originalmente por Tito Shivan:

This very same demand was brought twelve years ago, when Valve added the EU refund waiver clauses.

Do you know what happened?

Nothing.

Do you know what will happen now?

Nothing.

Date limit will come and you will launch the Steam client, accept the terms by doing so and keep playing your games.

Oh lord, despite banging around with that thing quite a lot, I'd forgotten how some people rejected a beneficial refund procedure.

You just can't please some people.

[Zoltan]

Like I was saying it looks good but not under the hood

https://youtu.be/k0c8Kka8bko?si=K4Y9-BwJD9SBTKgL

[mldb88]

Escrito originalmente por Zoltan:

Like I was saying it looks good but not under the hood

https://youtu.be/k0c8Kka8bko?si=K4Y9-BwJD9SBTKgL

And? This pretty much lines up with what everyone has been already telling you. Just because it's in valve's interest doesn't mean that they're in the wrong or doing something shady. It's to cut down on these ambulance chaser suits and forces these firms like Zeiger from abusing loopholes the arbitration clause.

As for the emails, literally everything said is speculation based on cropped portions of out of context emails. Actually most of this is just baseless conjecture. The main takeaways are things that we already know. Namely that Valve removed forced arbitration, meaning either party can move a case to be heard in a court of law. This is Valve just forcing these frivilous arbitration suits to actually put their money where their mouth is and provide the actual evidence.

This video isn't the smoking gun you think it is... actually quite the contrary.

[Brian9824]

https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/us-chamber-blames-judges-arbitrators-lawyers-mass-arbitration-abuses-2023-03-02/

There is an article on the mass arbitration issue in general, its relatively new and a big problem in the legal system that is triggering lots of changes

[Nicky Grimes]

I'm out of the loop but I did see the new agreement and then GTA V had the new policies regarding being able to see our IP address (cheats ban?)

Did some type of event happen? And would GTA V be completely separate from whatever Valve is going through?

[Boblin the Goblin]

Escrito originalmente por KITTYV2X:

I'm out of the loop but I did see the new agreement and then GTA V had the new policies regarding being able to see our IP address (cheats ban?)

Did some type of event happen? And would GTA V be completely separate from whatever Valve is going through?

GTAV has it's own agreement separate from Valve.

[Zoltan]

Escrito originalmente por Brian9824:

https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/us-chamber-blames-judges-arbitrators-lawyers-mass-arbitration-abuses-2023-03-02/

There is an article on the mass arbitration issue in general, its relatively new and a big problem in the legal system that is triggering lots of changes

Judges are easily bribed. I am sure Steam can afford to bribe a judge

[Zoltan]

Escrito originalmente por KITTYV2X:

I'm out of the loop but I did see the new agreement and then GTA V had the new policies regarding being able to see our IP address (cheats ban?)

Did some type of event happen? And would GTA V be completely separate from whatever Valve is going through?

The reason why Steam is doing this is because they are panicking in the courts. There are a lot of players signed up for the class actions lawsuits and with this new rule they remove them from the lawsuits.

[Nicky Grimes]

Escrito originalmente por Zoltan:

Escrito originalmente por KITTYV2X:

I'm out of the loop but I did see the new agreement and then GTA V had the new policies regarding being able to see our IP address (cheats ban?)

Did some type of event happen? And would GTA V be completely separate from whatever Valve is going through?

The reason why Steam is doing this is because they are panicking in the courts. There are a lot of players signed up for the class actions lawsuits and with this new rule they remove them from the lawsuits.

Thank you very much for providing that. Is there a link where I can follow up on this developing story? It sounds pretty serious!

[Zoltan]

Escrito originalmente por mldb88:

Escrito originalmente por Zoltan:

Like I was saying it looks good but not under the hood

https://youtu.be/k0c8Kka8bko?si=K4Y9-BwJD9SBTKgL

And? This pretty much lines up with what everyone has been already telling you. Just because it's in valve's interest doesn't mean that they're in the wrong or doing something shady. It's to cut down on these ambulance chaser suits and forces these firms like Zeiger from abusing loopholes the arbitration clause.

As for the emails, literally everything said is speculation based on cropped portions of out of context emails. Actually most of this is just baseless conjecture. The main takeaways are things that we already know. Namely that Valve removed forced arbitration, meaning either party can move a case to be heard in a court of law. This is Valve just forcing these frivilous arbitration suits to actually put their money where their mouth is and provide the actual evidence.

This video isn't the smoking gun you think it is... actually quite the contrary.

They make it too good to be true except they are setting up the players for what will happen next. its the "Make people think you care about them only to pull the rug from under them later".

It only makes sense to delete your account after you get the money from the class action lawsuit. Why would anyone delete an account worth over $5,000 ?

[mldb88]

Escrito originalmente por Zoltan:

Escrito originalmente por Brian9824:

https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/us-chamber-blames-judges-arbitrators-lawyers-mass-arbitration-abuses-2023-03-02/

There is an article on the mass arbitration issue in general, its relatively new and a big problem in the legal system that is triggering lots of changes

Judges are bribe. I am sure Steam can afford to bribe a judge

If that's your argument to the evidence then it's clear you have nothing, as usual. Still waiting for you to finally make good on that threat to drop Steam that you keep making time and time again.

[Zoltan]

I have no problem deleting my account after I get my refund of $5,000.00 + for the games I purchased. You can't have it both ways. We purchased a license and did not rent our games.

[Spanky]

Huh! lawsuits diminish value.

Escrito originalmente por Zoltan:

It only makes sense to delete your account after you get the money from the class action lawsuit. Why would anyone delete an account worth over $5,000 ?