How do we hold game dev's and publishers accountable and get better games ?? power to the people !!!

[Sisyphus]

I'd say thatmost largerr publishers and developers are just out for money, and as gamers we keep gping back. somewhere some publishers says just push it through they'll buy it and we do so thier right and until we stop buying into the hype games will come out crappy and unfinished garbage. On the other hand i find that the bigger a comapany gets generally the worse they become. not always. it seems smaller companies seem to put out better stuff these days. Also eye candy seems to be more important than substance. SO JUST STOP PREORDERING, WAIT FOR REVIEWS RESEARCH BEFORE YOU BUY AND DON'T BUT GAMES FROM PUBLISHERS THAT ARE IRREPUTABLE. POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!! LOL if we doon't give them or money they can't make games that simple.

[phoneticdecay]

https://www.change.org/p/steam-early-access-reform-advocating-more-oversight-accountability

I have started a petition to address some of this. Please circulate it among groups that are experiencing trouble with developers not maintaining communication / other Early Access breaches

Each company puts a statement forth on the store page when entering EA. I feel that some of those are not following through with their proposed method of conduct.

The petition seeks to get Valve start a consumer initiated review process to see if EA spirit is intact.

[Start_Running]

VOIte with yopur wallet. And be willing to do without.

[Knee]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από phoneticdecay:

https://www.change.org/p/steam-early-access-reform-advocating-more-oversight-accountability

I have started a petition to address some of this. Please circulate it among groups that are experiencing trouble with developers not maintaining communication / other Early Access breaches

Each company puts a statement forth on the store page when entering EA. I feel that some of those are not following through with their proposed method of conduct.

The petition seeks to get Valve start a consumer initiated review process to see if EA spirit is intact.

I’ve got bad news about online petitions

[ShelLuser]

You've only just now discovered that game studios are in it for the money? Because wake up call: all of them are in it for the money.

[miakisfan]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Start_Running:

VOIte with yopur wallet. And be willing to do without.

This. Pure out and out common sense.

They draw lines ... you have to know how and when to draw them too.

[sfnhltb]

Of course they are in it for the money, if they aren't they can be sued by their shareholders (if they are publicly traded), the funds they are given by their investors are not their to be given out charitably to gamers, just because the business they happen to operate in is video games does not change that fact.

Nothing you or valve is ever going to make a company that has decided a game has failed to keep throwing more money at it, they will only do so if they can see a future where they can make more back than they would need to continue investing in the games development.

[phoneticdecay]

That isnt really the issue. There are some games in protracted Early Access without any real communication to their community or visible attempts to improve. Weir limbo games that should be bumped into launch. At least removed the illusion of continued developement.

More often what i am growing upset at.. is this grand proposal on the store page where the (Insert Developer) working under umbrella of giant company makes a series of commitments that never materialize.

Not commitments like features and planned content for the game, but in how they will approach dev blogs, community feedback, how bug reporting will be handled, which platform will be their primary mode of communicating to the community.

These are all thing the developers have power over, no one is stopping them from making promises they never intend to keep.

with some... It a practice of deception and snake oil sales. Just their approach to business in general. Sometimes a good game results.. often its marketed to as broad a group as possible and becomes trash

I think there will be a resurgence of Indie development at least in the US with government finally deciding protracted post employment non compete clauses were unjust.

[wesnef]

Remember, the vast majority of the playerbase of most games - especially large releases - aren't on the forums. 10 million people bought the last Legend of Zelda in the first three days. 99.9% of them weren't terminally-online people reading complaint threads on forums.

Good luck with your "power to the people". /meh

until we stop buying into the hype games

Well, you could always stop "hyping" yourself. Personally, I enjoyed the last four "big" releases that I pre-ordered/bought first-day. Because I *wasn't* hyped for them, and I *didn't* have stupidly high expectations for them. I just expected "videogame" (rather than "second coming of Christ") and I got "videogame"

(Cyberpunk, Starfield, Diablo 4, Dragon's Dogma 2)

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από pandora:

I'd say thatmost largerr publishers and developers are just out for money, and as gamers we keep gping back. somewhere some publishers says just push it through they'll buy it and we do so thier right and until we stop buying into the hype games will come out crappy and unfinished garbage. On the other hand i find that the bigger a comapany gets generally the worse they become. not always. it seems smaller companies seem to put out better stuff these days. Also eye candy seems to be more important than substance. SO JUST STOP PREORDERING, WAIT FOR REVIEWS RESEARCH BEFORE YOU BUY AND DON'T BUT GAMES FROM PUBLISHERS THAT ARE IRREPUTABLE. POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!! LOL if we doon't give them or money they can't make games that simple.

Simple. You don't.

Your a consumer whether you like that title or not does not mean anything to the seller, you being unsatisfied with anything is not grounds for legal regulation changes in most nations. Companies do not need to ever yield to those that buy from them, as a matter of fact the only standards any company of any type need to uphold the standards of is their parent nation and where they sell on the national laws level.

Simple outright and blunt awnser is, you won't change it, you never will change it, you as a consumer have zero power to decide what a large and established corporation does with its services, the only powers outside of it that do is the government and law enforcers (Usually the second coming after the prior but not always the case)

You can create hundreds of Go Fund Mes, Change Net things (Whatever the hell that website is called) and many more and they will not change anything of merit because what people fail to grasp is that a company saying that they will change does not mean they actually will, they only need to tell you that and the situation is simply done with.

The worst part of all of this is if anything, the developers are terrified of those that play their games, like yes it may be a minority but do you grasp how many people will threaten death or worse upon people, publically at that or even to bomb their place of work just because their mad? Let me inform you that for example after No Mans Sky released, MI6 relocated the entire company to an off grid work site because someone actually shipped a damned pressure cooker explosive to their damn studio.

The fact that as a game developer people actually need to worry about being killed by whining snotty kids more then they do about making a good game these days should tell you that their priority of making you, me or the hundreds of other people happy are not on their check list, they stopped caring about that and if Helldrivers 2's current situation is anything to go by, those that barely understand the situation will still go out of their way to threaten terrorist acts against those studios

Which for the record, yes Sony as confirmed at least two bomb threats have been sent to them and they sent it to the Japanese law enforcement who now has the local area around Sony's HQ on constant watch. This is the day and age we live in, developers don't care about you or me because they care about living to see tomorrow because we the "gamers" have become the very thing killing the entire gaming community off ourselves.

And while yes, not everyone is doing it, not everyone doing it is not the issue, its the fact that its even a possbility altogether along with the other constant threats and rage online that make people say "Screw this stress, you can take your unfinished game as a result of your own actions"



If we were in their shoes, would you put up with the stress, drama, crap and likely more from 5000+ random people online, a few of which by just making them upset will result in you going into witness protection? My dream when i was younger was to become a indy game dev, nothing important, that idea died off when I learned that one of the dangers to my work as a indy dev is suddenly dying in a freaking explosion.

[JaxTek]

I just want a block per publisher or studio. We can block individual users, why not companies we don't want to interact with?

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από JaxTek:

I just want a block per publisher or studio. We can block individual users, why not companies we don't want to interact with?

We actually can, this will be just an example

https://store.steampowered.com/developer/squareenix

Go to Squares page but look for that cog. Click it > Ignore creator
You will no longer see their stuff.

[SLG]

All games are objective. I might like a game, but you might not. Because of this, there are people who will buy it and some will not. Even if 100 people do not buy it, there are millions who would.

[WraithTargundaMajarie]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από pandora:

I'd say thatmost largerr publishers and developers are just out for money, and as gamers we keep gping back. somewhere some publishers says just push it through they'll buy it and we do so thier right and until we stop buying into the hype games will come out crappy and unfinished garbage. On the other hand i find that the bigger a comapany gets generally the worse they become. not always. it seems smaller companies seem to put out better stuff these days. Also eye candy seems to be more important than substance. SO JUST STOP PREORDERING, WAIT FOR REVIEWS RESEARCH BEFORE YOU BUY AND DON'T BUT GAMES FROM PUBLISHERS THAT ARE IRREPUTABLE. POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!! LOL if we doon't give them or money they can't make games that simple.

We don't need to...

When they Destroy STEAM, & send it to ground Zero,
& realize we are still playing our favorite Games,
even when STEAM is shut down, & that tearing
STEAM apart didn't actually do a darn thing to the Video Game Industry??

Hey, maybe they'll realize that Video Games isn't Dead,
& that they don't have a single impact on us, & they don't matter no more...

Maybe, in the End?? They'll realize they did this all for nothing...

And it didn't change a darn thing...

And that none of it ever mattered...



Or maybe, they'll feel as if they accomplished something,
lying to themselves, completely happy...

When in reality, their just dum, ~_~



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Reality is??

I dunno what to actually say...

Even if we stole the Platform away from the Developers themselves??

These People are still in denial of their own Environment here...



All I can say is... Take what is yours,
& let Mental Illness handle the rest... ^_-

[phoneticdecay]

There are number of indie developers complaining about the visibility of their titles. So many major publishers are running under the guise of small developer or just using EA to circumnavigate the potential spreadsheet fluctuations related to ongoing development costs.
The intention of Early Access has been lost as the larger names in the industry gobble up potential talent / lucrative IP & produce product that largely fall outside the intended scope of EA.

I like the Block Developer Option
A call from Developer transparency isn't a bad thing. 99% of the titles I follow actually follow through with their commitment to the community.

Just wish there was a little more oversight on how EA is handled and possible see a resurgence in genre defining indie title that explode on the scene.
5+ years of EA doesn't bother my as much a 2 year Early Access where there is a confrontational vibe between developers & community.

Just a pipe dream likely. Bug money runs the world and offers top much incentive to those in their shadow for an real waves to show.

[Nx Machina]

@ phoneticdecay

I hope you have a disclaimer on your petition to note you have 5 EAG's in your library and 4 you recommend.

Secondly were you forced to add those EAG's to your cart and click confirm - Planet Crafter, Timberborn, Dinkum, The Enjenir, Kerbal Space Program 2. The answer is no as adding an EAG to your cart and clicking confirm is a VOLUNTARY action, not a mandatory one, therefore you receive the product as is at the point in time you clicked confirm and that is also applicable to AAA games.

More importantly what is an Early Access Game?

(It does not get any clearer than).

"Get instant access and start playing; get involved with this game as it DEVELOPS".

"This Early Access game is NOT COMPLETE and MAY OR MAY NOT CHANGE FURTHER. If YOU are not excited to play this game in its CURRENT STATE, then YOU should WAIT to see IF the game progresses further in DEVELOPMENT".

Is waiting a problem? Obviously not hence the 5 EAG's in your library and the 4 you recommend.

And finally AAA games do not have that disclaimer hence why Mass Effect Andromeda and Anthem, both AAA games were released broken and were abandoned.