tickdom2813 28 DIC 2023 a las 5:06 a. m.
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Windows 7 I will be keeping. Goodbye Steam.
Absolutely ridiculou. So, do I get a refund or will I be able to still play the games I have bought. And for corporate, you just financially killed yourselves. Your reasons for the switch to even less secure Windows versions is suspect.
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crunchyfrog 29 DIC 2023 a las 11:51 a. m. 
Sorry OP you're demonstrably wrong for several reasons.

For a start, you don't get tothrow threats around. You AGREED to the terms here and part of those terms are that it's an online service and updates and changes over time. You have ZERO legal standing.

Second it's not a mssive mistake. Valve have user data and only a TINY fraction of users still use Windows 7 - that's one of the reasons why they can no longer support it.

I get you're irritated but throwing imaginary threats around serves no opther purpose than make you look silly.
Crashed 29 DIC 2023 a las 12:10 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por ArchAngelLloyd:
(contains link to alt-right website)
Wonder why the admins are not blocking that site? I'm pretty sure Linux doesn't violate YouTube rules, unless you are instructing people on how to do illegal things.
AntiGrieferGames 29 DIC 2023 a las 12:20 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Dr.Shadowds 🐉:
Publicado originalmente por AntiGrieferGames:
The Problem is, Steam Games arent ownership aslong they are got DRM like Steam, Denuvo or other DRM measures, which on GOG got respectfully its Ownership. Same on Itch io depends what games are bid for, but for my eyes they are like 90% of the games DRM free.

There are exception of DRM Free Steam games like Hades did.
Steam does allow DRM free games on Steam, but problem is that when talk about ownership the issue is when look at gog, and etc they all have same policy where they say they sell you a game license, not actual ownership to game content itself, that means they can still deny you from it for reasons, often these reason are in place for their protection agasint customers trying abuse their service, like free game rides, trying to commit fruad, or trying to use them to make profit off them.

Anyways the main focus is DRM which if one doesn't want to face the music of support for their OS being loss due to time, they should only stick to DRM free, never look towards live services, and DRM which yes it does sucks you lose option of not buying games that DRM, but that the trade off really as some publishers, and indie devs want to fight agsaint piracy hence why DRM exist.
How about Offline Installers on GOG that you can install anyway and keeping forever on the drive? This is why i love DRM Free because it respect for its Ownership like i said before!
Última edición por AntiGrieferGames; 29 DIC 2023 a las 12:23 p. m.
Brian9824 29 DIC 2023 a las 12:29 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por AntiGrieferGames:
Publicado originalmente por Dr.Shadowds 🐉:
Steam does allow DRM free games on Steam, but problem is that when talk about ownership the issue is when look at gog, and etc they all have same policy where they say they sell you a game license, not actual ownership to game content itself, that means they can still deny you from it for reasons, often these reason are in place for their protection agasint customers trying abuse their service, like free game rides, trying to commit fruad, or trying to use them to make profit off them.

Anyways the main focus is DRM which if one doesn't want to face the music of support for their OS being loss due to time, they should only stick to DRM free, never look towards live services, and DRM which yes it does sucks you lose option of not buying games that DRM, but that the trade off really as some publishers, and indie devs want to fight agsaint piracy hence why DRM exist.
How about Offline Installers on GOG that you can install anyway and keeping forever on the drive? This is why i love DRM Free because it respect for its Ownership like i said before!

The flip side is have you ever wondered why GoG has so few games and why so many developers don't release their games on GoG?

I'll give you a hint, rampant piracy and the lack of DRM is pretty much the #1 reason...
Spawn of Totoro 29 DIC 2023 a las 1:29 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por AntiGrieferGames:
How about Offline Installers on GOG that you can install anyway and keeping forever on the drive? This is why i love DRM Free because it respect for its Ownership like i said before!

If a game was ever removed from your GOG account (has happened before) you are required to delete your copy of the game.

You have the same licensing rights (never ownership) as you do on Steam or any other platform. GOG just can't enforce the requirement to delete the game from your drive, though they can prevent download from their site as well as updates from their site as well.

Continuing to play said game, after the license has been revoked, does break laws against piracy.

Don't confuse the inability to enforce with ownership of a game.

With every platform, you have a license to have a copy of the game and play the game, for as long as said license is valid. Nothing more.
Yzal 29 DIC 2023 a las 2:34 p. m. 
Chrome, Edge and Firefox stopped supporting Win 7 months ago. What are you gonna do? not use internet anymore? I mean, it's probably safer that way but it severely limits what you can do with your computer.
Última edición por Yzal; 29 DIC 2023 a las 2:35 p. m.
Dr.Shadowds 🐉 29 DIC 2023 a las 6:35 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por AntiGrieferGames:
Publicado originalmente por Dr.Shadowds 🐉:
Steam does allow DRM free games on Steam, but problem is that when talk about ownership the issue is when look at gog, and etc they all have same policy where they say they sell you a game license, not actual ownership to game content itself, that means they can still deny you from it for reasons, often these reason are in place for their protection agasint customers trying abuse their service, like free game rides, trying to commit fruad, or trying to use them to make profit off them.

Anyways the main focus is DRM which if one doesn't want to face the music of support for their OS being loss due to time, they should only stick to DRM free, never look towards live services, and DRM which yes it does sucks you lose option of not buying games that DRM, but that the trade off really as some publishers, and indie devs want to fight agsaint piracy hence why DRM exist.
How about Offline Installers on GOG that you can install anyway and keeping forever on the drive? This is why i love DRM Free because it respect for its Ownership like i said before!
Like I said if read the lines they said what they're selling you, you realize what I just said.

You understand this point, if you didn't download the game yet, and they deny you of the content for reasons, do you still install the game without the offline installer or it content, answer is no because it exactly what I'm saying.

DRM free is good for things of not being tied to any client, or launcher, that point of DRM free, doesn't mean own the IP, or the content itself really, just means can access it without needing something to verify, or to meet any requirements that tied to anything, and yes some people do mistake ownership as they believe they own the IP, or content itself just because they have the installer when look at the terms that not actually ownership just like how you buy a physical object not exactly the same due to the fine lines.
Chika Ogiue 29 DIC 2023 a las 6:51 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por xBCxRangers:
Publicado originalmente por Mischievous Sly Succubus:
Strange that then you seem to think OS is any different from console generation :steamhappy:

I just answered the question lol. I suppose, the overall post, is how many millions, is Mr Newell willing to purge, every time MS gets an itch? 5 million? 10 million?

What is the number it will take, for Mr Newell to make the very investment, at least from what i heard he would do anyway, if the company went belly up, and keep access to our games?

0.91% is still 0.91% whether that represents a 100 users or 100 million. Even if 0.91% represented 8 billion, it would be an acceptable loss when there is 99.09% of other users on a supported system and who are regularly purchasing from Steam.

Your stats are like those old posters that claim 1 in 4 homeless are women. You're trying to bring attention to the smallest portion affected while intentionally ignoring the bigger picture. It's those 3 in 4 homeless men or the 99.09% of Steam users that will always be more significant in highlighting the reality of the given situation.

And if Valve did go belly up, they won't do anything to make your games work, outside of POSSIBLY removing any Steam protocols that dial home. That doesn't mean the games will remain playable, and like the need for updating your OS, the fact Valve do not guarantee 100% access to your library in perpetuity is mentioned in the agreements you agree to whenever purchasing on Steam.
Melodia 30 DIC 2023 a las 6:45 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Spawn of Totoro:

You have the same licensing rights (never ownership) as you do on Steam or any other platform. GOG just can't enforce the requirement to delete the game from your drive,

In fact this is even true of physical copies. The place the 1's and 0's are stored isn't relevant to your ownership.
AntiGrieferGames 30 DIC 2023 a las 7:29 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Melodia:
Publicado originalmente por Spawn of Totoro:

You have the same licensing rights (never ownership) as you do on Steam or any other platform. GOG just can't enforce the requirement to delete the game from your drive,

In fact this is even true of physical copies. The place the 1's and 0's are stored isn't relevant to your ownership.
Yep, if you buy from Steam, you arent ownership except for DRM Free Games.
Melodia 30 DIC 2023 a las 8:29 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por AntiGrieferGames:
Yep, if you buy from Steam, you arent ownership except for DRM Free Games.

Wow, you completely ignored both of the comments you quoted. Impressive.
AntiGrieferGames 30 DIC 2023 a las 9:00 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Melodia:
Publicado originalmente por AntiGrieferGames:
Yep, if you buy from Steam, you arent ownership except for DRM Free Games.

Wow, you completely ignored both of the comments you quoted. Impressive.
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xBCxRangers 30 DIC 2023 a las 9:07 a. m. 
Why is it even though i'm in Offline Mode, i'm still getting Steam Updates? Not for games, but Steam. Do i literally have to pull the plug Jan 1?
Hobbit XIII 30 DIC 2023 a las 9:28 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por xBCxRangers:
Why is it even though i'm in Offline Mode, i'm still getting Steam Updates? Not for games, but Steam. Do i literally have to pull the plug Jan 1?

~Most likely so Brutus.

I have not noticed it myself.

To all those who respect the rights of freedom go GoG!
xBCxRangers 30 DIC 2023 a las 9:35 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Hobbit XIII:
Publicado originalmente por xBCxRangers:
Why is it even though i'm in Offline Mode, i'm still getting Steam Updates? Not for games, but Steam. Do i literally have to pull the plug Jan 1?

~Most likely so Brutus.

I have not noticed it myself.

To all those who respect the rights of freedom go GoG!

Yep, that's the final step. I can probably get most games on sale there for about 5 bucks. I'l lose the old COD stuff and a couple others. But for the most part, it's going to be trying mod those GoG games, and go thru that all over again, if those mods even still exist.

In any case, idk what's going to happen with the posting, and so, if that stops, it's been great posting with you Hobbit. Keep up the sense of humor and good attitude.
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