WTF？why stop supporting Windows 7？

[😡 Duck 😡]

I have many valid reasons for not wanting to upgrade to Win10.

For example, I have too many applications and games installed, it seems to be over 300~500, and if I were to upgrade to WIN10, there are too many programs that would need to be downloaded and installed, registered and configured again, which is quite a hassle and could take days.

And with my hardware running fine on WIN7 and games, there is no need to upgrade.

I have tried installing WIN10 as a second boot system and trying to use it, but it doesn't seem to fit my hardware, there is a noticeable reduction in performance on the same configuration, and I just play games, I don't need to upgrade for the sake of so-called security.

Forcing an upgrade would be like STEAM interrupting my game service, which is actually a violation of player rights, Keep at least one version for Win7 players that will be available for a long time and will not be upgraded, even if there is only a basic function to launch the game.

when I choose to continue using an outdated system it naturally means I can be held responsible for my choices, such as if the system is hacked or running a ransomware virus.

I don't know why, but there are quite a few people in the comments asking us to upgrade our systems in the name of caring about the security of our systems. Seriously, we don't care if our systems are secure enough, We just want to come home after a busy day and run STEAM to play our favourite games and get a bit of relaxation, that's all.

Maybe I have another reason, not every player is in a developed country, for developing countries it costs more extra money to upgrade computers and hardware (I know some people will say that upgrading win10 is free, but what about hardware? In fact the hardware of win7 has a performance reduction on win10), so why can no one understand that?

I saw that someone submitted feedback to STEAM customer service about this, and the official response was for players to come to this forum and voice their position, so maybe that's a good sign.

We need more support, so make your voice heard, please.

Sorry, my English is not good, so I use a DeepL translation tool to communicate.


Windows 7/8/8.1 Steam Survival Kit:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2967855237

[SOLUTION] To Revert To Old UI:
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/6516193260168294059/

Windows 7 Forever, Update Never Group:
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/Windows7ForeverUpdateNever

[RiO]

Escrito originalmente por ★Sinon★ <3:

Escrito originalmente por Bee🐝:

Yeah, I just updated. Timed it for the newest Cumulative Preview build, and the whole process - including restarting - took 6 minutes. And I consider that a pretty slow update, the security ones are pretty spritely.

the cumulative updates are basically living up to their name.
They contain a lot of updates in 1 package which takes a while to install depending on your CPU and storage device.

But overall, waiting like 5 minutes or so once a month to update your OS isn't really a bad thing overall.

It's preferable to the Windows 7 situation where every tiny update is its own thing and each and every update has to re-evaluate a stupidly complex web of interdependencies before it knows if it can install, or in what order it should schedule compared to other updates in the same batch.

That complexity along with the stupidly huge pool of updates Windows 7 has had over its life time was what caused the update system to grind to a near-halt in that OS's waning years. It wasn't unusual for people to have to sit and wait for 4 hours on end while it would look for available updates, or would compute installation order. Also while shutting the OS down and "preparing to install updates."
There are stories of system administrators who had to schedule the business to update its workstations on Friday evenings so it would be done by Monday morning. (Yes; 48+ hours taken. I am sadly not kidding.)

This is why, for up to date systems, it became a sport to find 'this month's keystone update' - the update that, if you'd separately download and force-install that one first would cause all the others to speed along.

[Lixire]

Escrito originalmente por RiO:

Escrito originalmente por ★Sinon★ <3:

the cumulative updates are basically living up to their name.
They contain a lot of updates in 1 package which takes a while to install depending on your CPU and storage device.

But overall, waiting like 5 minutes or so once a month to update your OS isn't really a bad thing overall.

It's preferable to the Windows 7 situation where every tiny update is its own thing and each and every update has to re-evaluate a stupidly complex web of interdependencies before it knows if it can install, or in what order it should schedule compared to other updates in the same batch.

That complexity along with the stupidly huge pool of updates Windows 7 has had over its life time was what caused the update system to grind to a near-halt in that OS's waning years. It wasn't unusual for people to have to sit and wait for 4 hours on end while it would look for available updates, or would compute installation order. Also while shutting the OS down and "preparing to install updates."
There are stories of system administrators who had to schedule the business to update its workstations on Friday evenings so it would be done by Monday morning. (Yes; 48+ hours taken. I am sadly not kidding.)

This is why, for up to date systems, it became a sport to find 'this month's keystone update' - the update that, if you'd separately download and force-install that one first would cause all the others to speed along.

I'm not against it. if anything, Windows 7 had single-handedly the worst Windows Update agent in existence during its entire lifespan.
Doing a clean install of Win7 today and updating it is a literal nightmare. You will need about multiple restarts to install some updates that depend on other updates

And at the end? You end up with an OS that is even more bloated than Windows 10 when it comes to its system files (WinSxS) without the option to clean it up as the "Resetbase" option doesn't exist in 7 and was added only way later in 10 or 8.1

[Elucidator]

Escrito originalmente por ★Sinon★ <3:

And at the end? You end up with an OS that is even more bloated than Windows 10 when it comes to its system files (WinSxS) without the option to clean it up as the "Resetbase" option doesn't exist in 7 and was added only way later in 10 or 8.1

Wait a sec...
WinSxS is the storage directory of the Windows Components Store.
if it is bloated with that, you're probably using Ultimate or some Feature bloated version.

You can reduce its size by uninstalling Windows Components, and running a command to cleanup backups.

[Lixire]

Escrito originalmente por Elucidator:

Escrito originalmente por ★Sinon★ <3:

And at the end? You end up with an OS that is even more bloated than Windows 10 when it comes to its system files (WinSxS) without the option to clean it up as the "Resetbase" option doesn't exist in 7 and was added only way later in 10 or 8.1

Wait a sec...
WinSxS is the storage directory of the Windows Components Store.
if it is bloated with that, you're probably using Ultimate or some Feature bloated version.

You can reduce its size by uninstalling Windows Components, and running a command to cleanup backups.

Windows 7 always keeps the previous versions of updates for whatever reason.
hence why having a fully updated Win7 will end up being larger in size than fully updated Windows 10

on 10 and 11. if you wish to clean that folder properly then its simply to run
"Dism.exe /online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup /ResetBase" however, that parameter doesn't exist in 7.

[minsect]

Escrito originalmente por ★Sinon★ <3:

Doing a clean install of Win7 today and updating it is a literal nightmare. You will need about multiple restarts to install some updates that depend on other updates

Can be easier with custom iso that already has all the updates, including ESUs and extra fixes for UEFI etc. Then simply disable updates as there won't be any.

[Elucidator]

Escrito originalmente por ★Sinon★ <3:

Escrito originalmente por Elucidator:

Wait a sec...
WinSxS is the storage directory of the Windows Components Store.
if it is bloated with that, you're probably using Ultimate or some Feature bloated version.

You can reduce its size by uninstalling Windows Components, and running a command to cleanup backups.

Windows 7 always keeps the previous versions of updates for whatever reason.
hence why having a fully updated Win7 will end up being larger in size than fully updated Windows 10

on 10 and 11. if you wish to clean that folder properly then its simply to run
"Dism.exe /online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup /ResetBase" however, that parameter doesn't exist in 7.

I think Disk Cleanup was the way to do it on Windows 7.


edit (27 min in):
aaa... I see. A lot of DISM and Disk Cleanup features were backported from windows 8 to 7 in 2013.
I didn't know.

Windows 7 could only do dism /online /cleanup-image /spsuperseded
and dism /online /cleanup-image /startcomponentcleanup (which is the same as Disk Cleanup's variant)

The top command only removes stuff the service pack update overwrote.

Edit 2: If you want to be very busy and reduce its size further, you can do
DISM.exe /Online /Disable-Feature /featurename:NAME /Remove
per feature, this will prevent you from installing the component (and will remove all associated files from WinSxS)

[Muppet among Puppets]

Escrito originalmente por RiO:

Escrito originalmente por ★Sinon★ <3:

the cumulative updates are basically living up to their name.
They contain a lot of updates in 1 package which takes a while to install depending on your CPU and storage device.

But overall, waiting like 5 minutes or so once a month to update your OS isn't really a bad thing overall.

It's preferable to the Windows 7 situation where every tiny update is its own thing and each and every update has to re-evaluate a stupidly complex web of interdependencies before it knows if it can install, or in what order it should schedule compared to other updates in the same batch.

That complexity along with the stupidly huge pool of updates Windows 7 has had over its life time was what caused the update system to grind to a near-halt in that OS's waning years. It wasn't unusual for people to have to sit and wait for 4 hours on end while it would look for available updates, or would compute installation order. Also while shutting the OS down and "preparing to install updates."
There are stories of system administrators who had to schedule the business to update its workstations on Friday evenings so it would be done by Monday morning. (Yes; 48+ hours taken. I am sadly not kidding.)

This is why, for up to date systems, it became a sport to find 'this month's keystone update' - the update that, if you'd separately download and force-install that one first would cause all the others to speed along.

Up to windows 7 i loaded update packs. To update before connecting to the internet. Click and run.

[Muppet among Puppets]

The same happened with 2000, xp, vista.
And we still play the games.

[xBCxRangers]

EA you can still play your older games

"As part of the transition, EA is already dropping some features when they are updating Origin. After August though, Origin users on Windows XP and Vista will no longer be able to download/install games, not utilize the shop. Luckily, installed games and updates will continue to work, meaning those of you planning to stay on an older OS can pre-download any games you want to keep playing on the old system.The biggest problem will be with older games that aren’t quite compatible with newer operating systems"

https://www.eteknix.com/ea-origin-dropping-pre-windows-7-support/

There's no reason they can''t do that here. Step it up Gabe. And he probably will lol. You can't take away access to games people already bought..

[Spawn of Totoro]

Escrito originalmente por xBCxRangers:

EA you can still play your older games

"As part of the transition, EA is already dropping some features when they are updating Origin. After August though, Origin users on Windows XP and Vista will no longer be able to download/install games, not utilize the shop. Luckily, installed games and updates will continue to work, meaning those of you planning to stay on an older OS can pre-download any games you want to keep playing on the old system.The biggest problem will be with older games that aren’t quite compatible with newer operating systems"

https://www.eteknix.com/ea-origin-dropping-pre-windows-7-support/

There's no reason they can''t do that here. Step it up Gabe. And he probably will lol. You can't take away access to games people already bought..

https://answers.ea.com/t5/EA-General-Questions/Origin-no-longer-works-under-XP/td-p/5583201

Their "Legacy" Client doesn't work and hasn't for several years now. Even if they offer one for Windows 7 as well, it will still only be delaying the need to upgrade.

And that article you posted is over 7 years old. It also don't mention Windows 7 support being dropped at that time.

[xBCxRangers]

Escrito originalmente por Spawn of Totoro:

Escrito originalmente por xBCxRangers:

EA you can still play your older games

"As part of the transition, EA is already dropping some features when they are updating Origin. After August though, Origin users on Windows XP and Vista will no longer be able to download/install games, not utilize the shop. Luckily, installed games and updates will continue to work, meaning those of you planning to stay on an older OS can pre-download any games you want to keep playing on the old system.The biggest problem will be with older games that aren’t quite compatible with newer operating systems"

https://www.eteknix.com/ea-origin-dropping-pre-windows-7-support/

There's no reason they can''t do that here. Step it up Gabe. And he probably will lol. You can't take away access to games people already bought..

https://answers.ea.com/t5/EA-General-Questions/Origin-no-longer-works-under-XP/td-p/5583201

Their "Legacy" Client doesn't work and hasn't for several years now. Even if they offer one for Windows 7 as well, it will still only be delaying the need to upgrade.

And that article you posted is over 7 years old. It also don't mention Windows 7 support being dropped at that time.

Well, i'm playing MOH Allied Assault, apparently it still works. Great game too. I can even play third person view lol. But the article did say "newer" systems may not be able to play, and so if you upgraded, you're screwed, for as much sense that makes.

[xBCxRangers]

Escrito originalmente por nullable:

Escrito originalmente por xBCxRangers:

There's no reason they can''t do that here. Step it up Gabe. And he probably will lol. You can't take away access to games people already bought..

See Windows 98 2007, see XP/Vista 2019.

I personally wouldn't be against a legacy client or some such option. However history will often tell you what's going to happen next. I'm not clear why Windows 7 is different than Windows XP.

Idk man, EA did it. But if you're not on the older systems, you may have lost your games. Personally, this is def not happening in Jan. They're gonna punt that, and i think Gabe like EA, is gonna figure it out.

[Spawn of Totoro]

Escrito originalmente por xBCxRangers:

Well, i'm playing MOH Allied Assault, apparently it still works. Great game too. I can even play third person view lol. But the article did say "newer" systems may not be able to play, and so if you upgraded, you're screwed, for as much sense that makes.

That is because you are not on XP or Vista, where support HAS been dropped.

They have not dropped support for Windows 7 as of yet, just as Valve is not dropping support until January 1st, 2024.

Even with a legacy client, the back-end will eventually change so much that it may not be compatible, so will eventually stop.

[xBCxRangers]

Escrito originalmente por Spawn of Totoro:

Escrito originalmente por xBCxRangers:

Well, i'm playing MOH Allied Assault, apparently it still works. Great game too. I can even play third person view lol. But the article did say "newer" systems may not be able to play, and so if you upgraded, you're screwed, for as much sense that makes.

That is because you are not on XP or Vista, where support HAS been dropped.

They have not dropped support for Windows 7 as of yet, just as Valve is not dropping support until January 1st, 2024.

Even with a legacy client, the back-end will eventually change so much that it may not be compatible, so will eventually stop.

I think what you cited, are people on the newer systems having problems with the legacy client, not those of us on Win 7. And quite frankly, EA made their move away from Origin. If it was gonna happen, it would have happened then.

Gabe has enough money and resources for a legacy client, and that's what he's gonna have to do.

We can be talking even conservatively 3 million or more gamers here, even by Steams own surveys, that i'm sure are not giving us the accurate picture of much more.

[Spawn of Totoro]

Escrito originalmente por xBCxRangers:

Escrito originalmente por Spawn of Totoro:

That is because you are not on XP or Vista, where support HAS been dropped.

They have not dropped support for Windows 7 as of yet, just as Valve is not dropping support until January 1st, 2024.

Even with a legacy client, the back-end will eventually change so much that it may not be compatible, so will eventually stop.

I think what you cited, are people on the newer systems having problems with the legacy client, not those of us on Win 7. And quite frankly, EA made their move away from Origin. If it was gonna happen, it would have happened then.

Gabe has enough money and resources for a legacy client, and that's what he's gonna have to do.

We can be talking even conservatively 3 million or more gamers here, even by Steams own surveys, that i'm sure are not giving us the accurate picture of much more.

No. That I linked to was people who used XP and Vista that are now unable to use the Legacy Client.

Currently Windows 7 has no Legacy Client for Origin/EA as it has not had support dropped by EA/Origin as of yet.

EA didn't move way from Origin, they re-branded it. EA App still supports Windows 7/8/8.1 at this time.

Valve doesn't have to do anything. If they choose to, then they simply choose to.