What happened with steam allowing NSFW content openly.

[aloan]

Few years ago, if you were to report someone for having a butt picture It'll be taken down in a matter of few days.

And now as I go through Resident Evil "Art page" or whatsoever, it's full of porn pictures, nothing hidden or sensor'd, and Steam is kinda being open to this ♥♥♥♥??

I have seen some profiles literally full of porno stuff, whether from games or IRL, yet they're pretty much going ??????? Even if you report them they don't really take actions anymore?

[6Taylor4]

I just checked back as well, and it turned from a chance to intelligently discuss the definition and application of the word "porn" into a trolling fest. Someone should put this one out of its misery!
I'm out, peace and "non-porn" love.

[happy]

引用自 aloan：

引用自 Ogami：

Most of the Resident Evil hubs are rated 18+ so yeah, naked skin is allowed there because even if the games themselves are not pornographic, the average player should be over 18 so its not a problem.

I don't remember steam keeping such stuff back in the days. We are talking about nipples & holes here, not just skin.

You scared of Holes?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTViaGA1cqA

[crunchyfrog]

引用自 Coffee：

I stopped responding and I'll be leaving this thread due to attempted bait attempts, so will let steam handle it, they probably should close this thread anyway when that one mod and other user were going at it most of the thread. Considering I provided proof from aacap and two other sources that were easy to find on google (which aacap a legit source whether you like what they found or not) and then told "fake news" is an attempt at baiting. Not gonna get me.

There are no mods on here anymore. You know that ruight?

I'm not sure who you're going on about, but there aren't any now anyway as they're based in a third party company and do not take part on these forums.

And you most certainly DID NOT provide adequate proof.

You said "google this". That isn't how burden of proof works. YOU Make the claim, YOU Must spell it out and then people will look at what you've provided.

You provied inadequatre proof, because all you said was "go here". And furhtermore, that crap is not peer reviewed. It's been debunked a million times.

And if YOU bothered to honestyl google you'd find out there's a MASSIVE weight of thousands of studies (literally) that have been peer reviewed that show there is ZERO evidence of your claim.

And only a handful of sensation seeking dishonest studies that have all been debunked.

Please go learn how peer reivew and sciene works and learn what burden of proof is, as it will help you in future.

[Coffee]

I guess you aren't actually baiting, but have a genuine bias against aacap because they are against violent games for children. So of course most gamers are going to be biased against that. I did link two other sites with similar studies though.

On the other hand. I'm likely biased too in this case, as everyone else is in this thread about it. Though aacap is still a legit source of info.

But as for studies that conflict...

I can find studies that say certain illegal drugs (and not talking about marijuana which is legal in most states) are good for you, and I can also find studies that same drugs are bad for you. I can find studies alcohol is good for you, other studies say its bad for you. I can find studies that say coffee is good for you, other studies say its bad for you. I can find studies that people on medication is desensitizing children and young adults and making them not be who they are, I can find studies that conflict with that info and say it helps them.

In the end its all bias on everyone since all the studies conflict with each other, and its whatever study someone personally agrees with is the "right one". So someone who loves coffee will always disagree on studies that say coffee is bad for you, and someone who hates coffee will go "Yeah see proof coffee is bad for you"

As far as aacap goes, they are highly rated and are occasionally talked about in mainstream news with their studies (like CNN). The reason I won't link to the news articles is it may be a bannable/warning thing, since I dunno if linking news (no matter which one it is though I did name CNN in this case) is too political. Even though the article in question isn't political. And it doesn't relate to violence but about vaping. Its mostly related to JAMA Pediatrics study on it, but aacap in the article they talk about as well. Either way, it still has nothing to do with violent studies, just showing that mainstream news provides articles related to aacap studies that they have done.

Though other CNN articles about violent games show a mixed bag of some psychologists saying its a way to release aggression, same articles have different psychologist with a different perspective on it. A nice balance in their articles actually, since it shows that there is no clarification currently and there is a mixed bag of opinions whether violent games cause violence or not.

[Coffee]

Anyway, my opinion on it is that violent games don't effect most children or young adults. They DO imo effect people with violent tendencies or/and psychopathic disorders.

And there has never been a game where a boob has popped out where its been blamed a boob popped out caused violence. Which is the point of the thread is "OMG NSFW STUFF" but no boob in a game or artwork or whatever is going to make people go commit crimes lol. There is a huge difference between heads exploding and a boob popping out.

I think its hilarious that there is a double standard for that on every US based site, where as if you go to europe, they openly accept nudism in artwork or even in public (though are more strict with violence though maybe thats changed over the years)

(edit:

Though with that said, the US is being more open about it like I said in my other post. There is far far more revealing clothing out there, and again, go to a california/florida/new york beach and you'll see nearly naked people lol. Full on thongs and the whole bit (even sometimes on men and transgender/nonbinaries) and can see everything almost, granted since covid I've been (mostly) away from people so haven't gone to the beach as I don't want to get sick, so its been a couple/few years now. I still see articles and the local pool in my area of some very risque bathing suits lol. Though I still sometimes go to my local pool and that is really what I see there.

But it be funny to imagine...what all the anti-boob people would do if they went to one these beaches or the local pool in my area. Would they freak out as much as they do seeing a boob on steam? Or see a male/transgender in a thong bikini? Would they have a meltdown like they do here on steam any time there is nudity posted?

And to clarify, I don't bring up transgender as a "political" thing. There is a transgender community in my complex and they wear thongs and all kinds of exotic things. Though some of the actual males who see themselves as male have joined in wearing that kinda stuff. They go to the pool and I guess the beaches wearing that stuff. They never get arrested or harrassed as far as I know (at least by the cops).

[ShelLuser]

The problem with studies these days.... is the question who's paying the bills?

There have been dozens of scientists and data analysists alike who's career got ruined simply because they dared to present statements, backed up with with arguments and data, which went directly against the vocal minority.

引用自 Coffee：

I think its hilarious that there is a double standard for that on every US based site, where as if you go to europe, they openly accept nudism in artwork or even in public

Errrr, nope, that's definitely not how it works around here.

Now, Crunchy made this a lot harder for me (darn you! (just kidding!!)) but....

https://ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/priorities-2019-2024/europe-fit-digital-age/digital-services-act-ensuring-safe-and-accountable-online-environment_en

That's roughly covering the online part, there are very strict rules in place there. Let's not forget that it was the same EU who came up with the moronic "cookie law" in an attempt to make things "easier" for the users. OMG. If you don't warn people before you show explicit (adult) contents then the EU is ready to slap you around with hefty fines.

Of course often being the incompetents that they are some of those fines may not hold up in court (like it did with Intel, who didn't only got their fine revoked, but they managed to collect millions in interest too...) but all of that set aside... this is still a thing.

But let's get to... you did say EU right? And Italy is a part of the EU:

https://www.ad.nl/reizen/verbod-op-rondlopen-in-bikini-of-zwembroek-in-italiaanse-sorrento~ae0223dd/

Don't even dare to walk around in a bikini or swim pants because if you do so in this Italian place you'll be fined. And that's not even talk about being naked!

You make it sound as if the EU is one solid state with the same rules. Making it obvious that you really have no clue about the things you're talking about because in the end it's every nation for themselves. ... if they want to.

Oh, I can even go further than this...

Many people say that everything is possible in the Netherlands... drugs are condoned, nudity and whatever more... Yah, nope!

So... New York Pizza (pizza chain which is also operating in the Netherlands) tried to advertise for their ... "cauliflower" ? vegetable by placing in them in "specific locations" before a female actress. That didn't last long:

https://www.ad.nl/gouda/reclame-code-commissie-buigt-zich-over-bekritiseerde-bloemkoolbodemposter-new-york-pizza~a74d2b1e/

It got banned in the Netherlands. And yes, we're part of the EU too (unfortunately, if you ask me).

But of course that was suggestive and not actual nudity...

Warning: there is an 'edgy' image on this page I linked to but it does not contain actual nudity. Also important: this is the URL to an actual Dutch news website (but local, not national), but while it may be local it actually addresses our capital city of Amsterdam => https://www.nhnieuws.nl/nieuws/159898/geen-blote-borsten-in-amsterdam-nieuw-west. They banned a topless advertisement.

What was it you were saying about the EU not minding nudity? Once again: the Netherlands are part of the EU and Amsterdam out of all places is that place where, according to some tourists, everything is possible. Well.... everything but topless women within advertising it seems.

[Coffee]

Has that always been the case? I remember I had a friend in the netherlands quite some time ago now, but back when I was a kid, and he talked about how free it was and no one cared about nudity. Has it changed over the years where they are being more strict in nudity (in general) throughout europe? Cause was around same time I had my friend in netherlands and he was telling me how free it was there. During the time I went to UK and london there was nude posters and nudity quite all over the place on the public street. But again, that was some years ago so maybe its changed since then. its been like (edit actually closer to 20) years, I guess cultures can change fast in that time.

It be funny if its got switched where US is more accepting of nudity (at least in some states) and in general europe being less so. Cause like I said, in my area, there are men and transgenders with full on thong bikinis and a female a few weeks ago was in the pool area with a seethrough bikini (as in, it was pretty much nudity without it being nudity). Someone actually called the cops but the cops left and warned the person who called for wasting their time.

Would that be allowed in the netherlands? If not it sounds like the culture has changed over the years for some reason or maybe it was always like that and my friend oversold his nation (he actually wanted my family to move over there with how "free" it was)

(edit: I find it sad though (some parts of) europe is more hard on nudity than I remember them being. I guess I was talking about how I remembered them in the past. Cause both from everything I knew of netherlands, and my time in UK, they were both fully open to that kinda thing. Maybe I didn't know what netherlands was really like and that was how it always was...

just thought they were open because everyone I talked to always talks about how free it is compared to US and they can do anything (almost) lol

[Coffee]

To put in another way, my friend said he did raves on the streets at night (this was in the netherlands, in utrecht if that matters) and the police would be there but never arrest anyone (unless people started causing damage or violent, otherwise that be the only exception. And there'd be nude strippers and all kinds of things happening at them. Was that actually illegal back then or is that NOW illegal compared to the past?

[PootisMayo]

With how Steam overlooks more NSFW artwork than usual and not take down some of those inappropriate imagery, the internet has become an even more twisted place. Unfortunately, there is no way to discuss this subject without getting into fights and trolling incessantly.

[Coffee]

引用自 PootisMayo：

With how Steam overlooks more NSFW artwork than usual and not take down some of those inappropriate imagery, the internet has become an even more twisted place. Unfortunately, there is no way to discuss this subject without getting into fights and trolling incessantly.

I guess thats the point of my above posts. How is heads exploding and eyes exploding out of heads LESS twisted than a boob popping out? I actually don't care how violent games are, but I don't see how a boob is worse than what I just wrote.

[Coffee]

引用自 Coffee：

引用自 PootisMayo：

With how Steam overlooks more NSFW artwork than usual and not take down some of those inappropriate imagery, the internet has become an even more twisted place. Unfortunately, there is no way to discuss this subject without getting into fights and trolling incessantly.

I guess thats the point of my above posts. How is heads exploding and eyes exploding out of heads LESS twisted than a boob popping out? I actually don't care how violent games are, but I don't see how a boob is worse than what I just wrote.

So this topic doesn't keep going into way off topic (I guess already long did that when a moderator from another section got into an argument with another user).

I summed up my entire thoughts in one short post of why I argued against violent games (which btw I don't actually care about how violent something is in a game or media), when a boob popping out makes those same people freak out.

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/3476233614749812140/

I don't think need to explain my thoughts further, and this topic has veered so off course of its original topic (even before I came in_ I don't want to keep it off course so I'll actually leave for that reason but I made that thread above with why I made the posts I did

Though my stance is still the same, that people with violent/psycopathic llnesses probably shouldnt play violent games.

[crunchyfrog]

引用自 Coffee：

I guess you aren't actually baiting, but have a genuine bias against aacap because they are against violent games for children. So of course most gamers are going to be biased against that. I did link two other sites with similar studies though.

On the other hand. I'm likely biased too in this case, as everyone else is in this thread about it. Though aacap is still a legit source of info.

But as for studies that conflict...

I can find studies that say certain illegal drugs (and not talking about marijuana which is legal in most states) are good for you, and I can also find studies that same drugs are bad for you. I can find studies alcohol is good for you, other studies say its bad for you. I can find studies that say coffee is good for you, other studies say its bad for you. I can find studies that people on medication is desensitizing children and young adults and making them not be who they are, I can find studies that conflict with that info and say it helps them.

In the end its all bias on everyone since all the studies conflict with each other, and its whatever study someone personally agrees with is the "right one". So someone who loves coffee will always disagree on studies that say coffee is bad for you, and someone who hates coffee will go "Yeah see proof coffee is bad for you"

As far as aacap goes, they are highly rated and are occasionally talked about in mainstream news with their studies (like CNN). The reason I won't link to the news articles is it may be a bannable/warning thing, since I dunno if linking news (no matter which one it is though I did name CNN in this case) is too political. Even though the article in question isn't political. And it doesn't relate to violence but about vaping. Its mostly related to JAMA Pediatrics study on it, but aacap in the article they talk about as well. Either way, it still has nothing to do with violent studies, just showing that mainstream news provides articles related to aacap studies that they have done.

Though other CNN articles about violent games show a mixed bag of some psychologists saying its a way to release aggression, same articles have different psychologist with a different perspective on it. A nice balance in their articles actually, since it shows that there is no clarification currently and there is a mixed bag of opinions whether violent games cause violence or not.

Again no, that's not how reasoning works.

It doesn't matter if AACAP are the pillars of truth and have an unmatched record of accurate reporting.

Becuase CLAIMS ALWAYS STAND ON THEIR OWN MERITS. Each individual one.

So, if they had 9,500 concurrent actual reports beign proved correct, they can still be wrong on the next one.

And that's the point here - you're using this to make an argument from authority fallacy. The fact is here that you can indeed find a couple of shill like reports which I've already said have been widely discredited showing violence affects users with video games.

However, the weight of contrary evidenec which HAS been peer reviewd is in the many thousands, and they all show ZERO evidence for such.

So no, you are deonstrably wrong and in such a massive way.

and please don't be so crass as to claim it's bias. It isn't. I don't care for that sotr of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. If there were evidence I'd believe it. I wouldn't like it, but I'd believe it.

So no you're wrong.

And just to be clear regarding your analogy of stuidies about drugs. Sure you can find claims about ANYTHING. And that's why you don't understand clearyl what peer review means.

It's like this.

When someone actually does some scientific investigation, they test, repeat and predict, and when they can do this accurately, they write reports detailing EXACTLY how they did it, so it can be checked by anyone else.

THAT'S peer review. So people then do just that. If they find errors in the data or cannot replicate it, or whatever, then it FAILS.

So no, that's why peer review is important because if it falls down under peer review, then it's OBVIOUSLY not right.

[ShelLuser]

引用自 Coffee：

Has that always been the case?

Yups. If you would have bothered to follow my links you'd have seen that one of those dates back to 2015.

I was wondering if you'd address that detail but considering this comment of yours itself it seems to me as if you're actually not all too eager to address things directly at all.... you sure left me out of all this despite adressing me indirectly.

Alas, I think it's becoming obvious here what's really up.

Your friend may have nice stories (don't we all) but I live here. And I don't make a secret out of this either. Oh well....

Funny how things shifted from EU to Dutch Power (yaaay, scratch one off for me! )

[fluxtorrent]

Is any of this even relevant? The UGC rules are clear, do not post pornography. WHY they exist is entirely for steam to decide

[ShelLuser]

引用自 fluxtorrent：

Is any of this even relevant? The UGC rules are clear, do not post pornography. WHY they exist is entirely for steam to decide

Yups, have to agree with you on that one.. and, well... didn't we all agree to some weird agreement? Not just when joining, but every time we grab a new game (normal or adult alike (sorry, sorry, sorry!!)).

Which is why I'm clicking a button up there.