There is mistake in the city name in steam
Ukrainian city Lviv writing wrong - Lvov. But Lvivska oblast (Lviv region) writing right.

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Originally posted by ♕Postman:
The city was founded and presented by the prince of Kyiv Rus to his son named Lev (Lion) and his family. Since then, called Lviv (Old Ukrainian), which literally means "City of Lions"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lviv

Originally posted by wikipedia:
Besides its Ukrainian name, and its ancient Ruthenian name of Lwihorod[11]/Lvihorod,[12] the city is also known by several other names in different languages: Polish Lwów; German Lemberg;[13] Yiddish לעמבערג Lemberg or לעמבעריק Lèmberik; Russian Львов L'vov; Hungarian Ilyvó; Serbo-Croatian Lavov; Romanian Liov; Latin Leopolis[14] (meaning "lion city", from Ancient Greek λέων + πόλις léōn + pólis); Italian Leopoli; Crimean Tatar İlbav; Middle Armenian Իլով Ilov; Armeno-Kipchak Իլօվ Ilôv; and a number of other names.[15][16]

Russian Львов L'vov


note that in this case the name of the city of L'viv is written in the language of the enemy.
Have respect for Ukraine of all those who defend the freedom and order of Europe/

Ukraine is a sovereign state and has its own government, and has its own names of cities, the correct name of the city of L'viv is L'viv.
Ukraine is now defending and fighting for the foundations of European values, have respect for my country and my city !!!

p.s. Sorry for Google translate

Слава Україні !!
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my new friend Jun 14, 2022 @ 7:39pm 
Originally posted by Дівчинка-лицар:
Ukrainian city Lviv writing wrong - Lvov. But Lvivska oblast (Lviv region) writing right.
Don't expect Valve to change something they haven't touched in over a decade.
Edifier Jun 14, 2022 @ 7:55pm 
They are going by Geonames or something so when that list is updated, so is Steam.
Crazy Tiger Jun 14, 2022 @ 7:56pm 
Originally posted by Edifier:
They are going by Geonames or something so when that list is updated, so is Steam.
Not really. Valve has to import a database from Geonames and they haven't done so in a long time, which is why it's outdated.
In the countries that were under the occupation of the USSR, all names were changed to Russian, respectively, and in the world wrote instead of Kyiv - Kiev, instead of the Dnipro - Dnieper, instead of Lviv - Lvov. Now the names have been changed back, but the world has a bad habit of continuing to translate city names into russian and from russian into English. This is done even by Google Translator( But we fight against it!
rawWwRrr Jun 14, 2022 @ 8:11pm 
You don't have to chose a city.
Yzal Jun 14, 2022 @ 8:39pm 
Valve's database for this is so old i'm surprised that Soviet Union is not an option.
MultiKill Jun 14, 2022 @ 8:43pm 
It is hard to take this decision
cinedine Jun 14, 2022 @ 9:08pm 
Originally posted by Дівчинка-лицар:
In the countries that were under the occupation of the USSR, all names were changed to Russian, respectively, and in the world wrote instead of Kyiv - Kiev, instead of the Dnipro - Dnieper, instead of Lviv - Lvov. Now the names have been changed back, but the world has a bad habit of continuing to translate city names into russian and from russian into English. This is done even by Google Translator( But we fight against it!

It's not really "translated from Russian". It's simply the English name for it.
Nobody cares about Naples, Moscow, Prague, Cologne, ... sometime's it's simply what it is. Diffferent languages have different sound patterns that aren't easily repeated by other languages and names are transliterated for easier pronounciation.
Originally posted by cinedine:
Originally posted by Дівчинка-лицар:
In the countries that were under the occupation of the USSR, all names were changed to Russian, respectively, and in the world wrote instead of Kyiv - Kiev, instead of the Dnipro - Dnieper, instead of Lviv - Lvov. Now the names have been changed back, but the world has a bad habit of continuing to translate city names into russian and from russian into English. This is done even by Google Translator( But we fight against it!

It's not really "translated from Russian". It's simply the English name for it.
Nobody cares about Naples, Moscow, Prague, Cologne, ... sometime's it's simply what it is. Diffferent languages have different sound patterns that aren't easily repeated by other languages and names are transliterated for easier pronounciation.

"O" easier than "i"?) Its really translate from russian. We have often this problem. We made perfomance from foreigners with right cities names. You can google and see like right.
cinedine Jun 15, 2022 @ 11:39am 
Originally posted by Дівчинка-лицар:
Originally posted by cinedine:

It's not really "translated from Russian". It's simply the English name for it.
Nobody cares about Naples, Moscow, Prague, Cologne, ... sometime's it's simply what it is. Diffferent languages have different sound patterns that aren't easily repeated by other languages and names are transliterated for easier pronounciation.

"O" easier than "i"?) Its really translate from russian. We have often this problem. We made perfomance from foreigners with right cities names. You can google and see like right.

It's not from Russian. It's the historic name from Polish times.
JVC Jun 15, 2022 @ 11:43am 
Originally posted by cinedine:
Originally posted by Дівчинка-лицар:

"O" easier than "i"?) Its really translate from russian. We have often this problem. We made perfomance from foreigners with right cities names. You can google and see like right.

It's not from Russian. It's the historic name from Polish times.
No, the Polish name is Lwów.

Ukrainian: L'viv, Russian: L'vov, German: Lemberg, Latin: Leopolis

The names database is garbage in many respects. The entries for Denmark are clearly from before 2007.
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Thermal Lance Jun 15, 2022 @ 11:47am 
Originally posted by Lazy Dog:
Valve's database for this is so old i'm surprised that Soviet Union is not an option.
Lmao
cinedine Jun 15, 2022 @ 11:57am 
Originally posted by JVC:
Originally posted by cinedine:

It's not from Russian. It's the historic name from Polish times.
No, the Polish name is Lwów.

And now transliterate that into Kyrillic and back into English ...

And
Originally posted by Дівчинка-лицар:
"O" easier than "i"?) .
in this case: yes. Polish city names often end in -ów(a/o), is it puts it in line.
Krakow, Rzeszow, Tarnow, Glasgow, Ostrow, ...

City names are a touchy subject and using a specific name is almost always political. Lots of Ukrainian cities got renamed to eliminate referrences to communist names that were used to replace the German occupation names that probably replaced the name of some prior cultural marginalisation of whoever conquered the land.
And sometimes, somewhere down that line a name simply sticks. Especially if it got renamed multiple times in just hundred years.
People over here are still using Danzig and Preßburg instead of Gdansk and Bratislava. And nobody gives a ♥♥♥♥ about Prague being derived from the German Prag instead of Praha. And Beijing is still called Peking by a lot of people.

EDIT:
And to clarify: I don't want to marginalize. But there isn't always malicious intend in using another spelling while using a different language.
Last edited by cinedine; Jun 15, 2022 @ 12:35pm
crunchyfrog Jun 15, 2022 @ 4:26pm 
Yeah sadly as others have said, their database is OLD.

Many companies NEVER do databases like this themselves, as it's far easier to buy one or import it. For things like this too there's little reason to update very often either, so that's why this is old.

For years Facebook has shown me to live in Splading Norfolk. That doesn't exist. I live in Spalding, Lincolnshire. Have they ever corrected this? Nope.

So I ghighly doubt Valve will be bothered to do so.

FYI, I would recommend looking up Tom Scott on Youtube as he explains how databases are brouhgt in and the problems they offer - the one on timezones is particularly amusing.
In fact, after the occupation of Ukraine, when Ukraine was forcibly incorporated into the USSR after the Russo-Ukrainian War of 1917, it changed the names of cities and even people's names to Russian. Lviv-Lvov, Dnipro-Dnepr, to many cities names was add names from tsar Petro and other (DniproPetrovsk), But here it is illogical, because Lviv region is spelled correctly - it is obvious that there should be Lviv, if Lviv, but the city is still indicated Lvov.
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Date Posted: Jun 14, 2022 @ 7:06pm
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