Is Square Enix leaving steam ?

[Zangato]

Kindgom Hearts 3, Final Fantasy 7 Remake and Stranger of Paradise Final Fantasy Origin is Epicgames exclusives. Is SE leaving stem quietly o.O ?

[my new friend]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Zangato:

Kindgom Hearts 3, Final Fantasy 7 Remake and Stranger of Paradise Final Fantasy Origin is Epicgames exclusives. Is SE leaving stem quietly o.O ?

Epic is paying good money for SE to do exclusives.

[cinedine]

Babylon's Fall, Voce of Cards, Final Fantasy VI, and both Life is Trange Remastered released just last month.

Guardians of the Galaxy, Life is Strange: True Colors, Bravely Default II and many more released last year.

Forspoken is (yet) scheduled for October the 11th and available for pre-order for the low price of "you serious?!".

[Zangato]

Oprindeligt skrevet af my new friend:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Zangato:

Kindgom Hearts 3, Final Fantasy 7 Remake and Stranger of Paradise Final Fantasy Origin is Epicgames exclusives. Is SE leaving stem quietly o.O ?

Epic is paying good money for SE to do exclusives.

So you telling me Epicgames payed SE more them 50 million $ to keep FF7 on Epicstore?
Cuz they could make more by selling it steam.

[Elucidator]

Square is kinda... extremely greedy.
They must know that this behavior is bad for gamers and business, and yet--
I mean they recently released a chocobo racing game that costs 50 dollar and requires in game purchases to unlock main characters and whats not. Its kinda like that Star Wars game where luke and most other characters were locked behind a lootcrate.
The difference is that this game is for the switch and looks like an ugly low quality cellphone game so I doubt anyone cares.

It suggests like usual that they're in a bit of financial situation. As to why, my guess is the company head is too greedy (narcissism). (underpays employees, too controlling, etc.)
A lot of good employees left square too. xd

So they're getting desperate I guess. They use what power they have left (copy right protected icons, names, etc.) and create low quality nonsense or rereleases and hope they get pennies.

I can see them indeed move to the less secure epic platform in the hopes to get a bit more revenue, but... well, if it is too expensive people won't buy into it anyway.

[Zangato]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Elucidator:

Square is kinda... extremely greedy.
They must know that this behavior is bad for gamers and business, and yet--
I mean they recently released a chocobo racing game that costs 50 dollar and requires in game purchases to unlock main characters and whats not. Its kinda like that Star Wars game where luke and most other characters were locked behind a lootcrate.
The difference is that this game is for the switch and looks like an ugly low quality cellphone game so I doubt anyone cares.

It suggests like usual that they're in a bit of financial situation. As to why, my guess is the company head is too greedy (narcissism). (underpays employees, too controlling, etc.)
A lot of good employees left square too. xd

So they're getting desperate I guess. They use what power they have left (copy right protected icons, names, etc.) and create low quality nonsense or rereleases and hope they get pennies.

I can see them indeed move to the less secure epic platform in the hopes to get a bit more revenue, but... well, if it is too expensive people won't buy into it anyway.

If they are greedy, shouldn't make sense to sell on platform where more ppl will buy their product o.O ?

[Tsubame ⭐]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Zangato:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Elucidator:

Square is kinda... extremely greedy.
They must know that this behavior is bad for gamers and business, and yet--
I mean they recently released a chocobo racing game that costs 50 dollar and requires in game purchases to unlock main characters and whats not. Its kinda like that Star Wars game where luke and most other characters were locked behind a lootcrate.
The difference is that this game is for the switch and looks like an ugly low quality cellphone game so I doubt anyone cares.

It suggests like usual that they're in a bit of financial situation. As to why, my guess is the company head is too greedy (narcissism). (underpays employees, too controlling, etc.)
A lot of good employees left square too. xd

So they're getting desperate I guess. They use what power they have left (copy right protected icons, names, etc.) and create low quality nonsense or rereleases and hope they get pennies.

I can see them indeed move to the less secure epic platform in the hopes to get a bit more revenue, but... well, if it is too expensive people won't buy into it anyway.

If they are greedy, shouldn't make sense to sell on platform where more ppl will buy their product o.O ?

Once the exclusivity period ends they will likely release them in Steam, and the profits will come nonetheless.

Few Steam users will switch to Epic Games just to play the games earlier.

[Crazy Tiger]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Zangato:

Is SE leaving stem quietly o.O ?

If they are, they're not doing a good job considering that they still release games on Steam.

[J4MESOX4D]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Zangato:

Is SE leaving stem quietly o.O ?

They released a game two weeks ago
https://store.steampowered.com/app/889750/BABYLONS_FALL/

If Epic offer them big bucks for exclusivity on a single game, they will take it no matter what. Cash upfront and still a chance to sell on Steam down the line at full whack.

[Wolf Knight]

you have to remember that epics offer is very good for a game developer.

X amount of cash up front
and then they also guarantee Y number of units sold during the exclusive period. if they promised to sell 500,000 and only 450,000 sold, Epic will pay the developer for the 50,000 units to make up the difference.

if you were a game developer, you would have a hard time passing that up. a good amount of the hatred Epic is getting is from how they started doing their exclusives.

[Elucidator]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Zangato:

If they are greedy, shouldn't make sense to sell on platform where more ppl will buy their product o.O ?

One major reason for indie gamers to go to a platform outside of Steam is because its easier to find said game.
Epic takes 12.5% per sale, where Steam (valve), Playstore (android/google), iStore (apple), Nintendo eShop (nintendo), Playstation Store (sony), etc. all take 30% per sold item.

So if the price is 10, they take 3. Its quite a lot. Keep in mind that the remaining 7 is bruto. (untaxed)
They still have to pay VAT to the government over the 7 they received. (and of course Steam over the 3 they received). + other forms of taxes.

So if you sell a game on Steam for 50, Steam takes 15 every time the game is bought and gives you 35.
On Epic Games, Epic takes 6.25, so it gives you 43,75.

You can see with .. when you expect your game to sell 100 times at least, or maybe 1000, this becomes a huge difference.

[Your Mom's Oshi]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Zangato:

Oprindeligt skrevet af my new friend:

Epic is paying good money for SE to do exclusives.

So you telling me Epicgames payed SE more them 50 million $ to keep FF7 on Epicstore?
Cuz they could make more by selling it steam.

Where are you getting this number from?

[cinedine]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Elucidator:

So if the price is 10, they take 3. Its quite a lot. Keep in mind that the remaining 7 is bruto. (untaxed)
They still have to pay VAT to the government over the 7 they received. (and of course Steam over the 3 they received). + other forms of taxes.

So if you sell a game on Steam for 50, Steam takes 15 every time the game is bought and gives you 35.
On Epic Games, Epic takes 6.25, so it gives you 43,75.

That's not quite true.

Either the VAT is included in the price or added at checkout. In both instances it will only be paid by the customer proxied by the retailer.

If you sell a 10 EUR/60 EUR game in Europe @ 20 % VAT the split is
- VAT: 2 EUR/12 EUR
- Steam: 2.40 EUR/14.40 EUR
- Studio: 5.60 EUR/33.60 EUR

From that 5.60 EUR/33.60 you then have to pay royalties and licensing. From the remainder you have to pay income tax.
The 2.40 EUR/14.40 on the other hand also includes any fees from the payment processor. Something Epic used to raise a surcharge for if it's more than 6 %.

[Start_Running]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Crazy Tiger:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Zangato:

Is SE leaving stem quietly o.O ?

If they are, they're not doing a good job considering that they still release games on Steam.

Well this is Squeenix

[Zangato]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Elucidator:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Zangato:

If they are greedy, shouldn't make sense to sell on platform where more ppl will buy their product o.O ?

One major reason for indie gamers to go to a platform outside of Steam is because its easier to find said game.
Epic takes 12.5% per sale, where Steam (valve), Playstore (android/google), iStore (apple), Nintendo eShop (nintendo), Playstation Store (sony), etc. all take 30% per sold item.

So if the price is 10, they take 3. Its quite a lot. Keep in mind that the remaining 7 is bruto. (untaxed)
They still have to pay VAT to the government over the 7 they received. (and of course Steam over the 3 they received). + other forms of taxes.

So if you sell a game on Steam for 50, Steam takes 15 every time the game is bought and gives you 35.
On Epic Games, Epic takes 6.25, so it gives you 43,75.

You can see with .. when you expect your game to sell 100 times at least, or maybe 1000, this becomes a huge difference.

Ohhh ok that make sense now.

[my new friend]

Epic even paid SE to give all the Tomb Raider reboot games away during the new year.