This platform is becoming the Craigslist of games

[shinpachi]

I'm not sure what the criteria for getting a game on here is, but whatever they are, they're too lenient. It's difficult to find what games I should actually be looking forward to because the new and upcoming games section have crap like "cup in ball 2" and the like clogging it up. Valve needs to start enforcing a higher quality requirement. Games that can be thrown together in less than a week should not be allowed on here.

[( ( < < <🤖> > > ) )]

i can actually relate to the giving up searching if you have
to sort thru what i subjectively call junk trash games...

i am sure everyone has a junk game reference level after a bit of gaming experience...

sure there is the odd bit of trash that might offer some entertainment...
but i dont really want to feed the trash makers when i can get better
outcomes from those with a bit more skill ... subjective of course

these days i let the good stuff rise to the top and leave EA before i look at it...
so what am i missing out on by not diving in the dumpster search...

oh.. none of my time being wasting.. i like that...

[Tito Shivan]

If you're looking for specific kinds of games, use the search function. Restrict by genre and tags to find what fits your tastes.

The new and trendy and the discovery queue are more akin to window shopping, you may find something you like, but there's going to be a lot of things in there which isn't quite for you.

Hidden gems are called that way for a reason. If they were easy to find they wouldn't be 'hidden'.

It's been some time since discoverability for games moved out of Steam. Way before 'the crap came in' games moved to channels like YouTube and Twitch to make themselves known.

Use the tools for the right job for the best results. A hammer will drive a screw into wood... But it's easier to use a screwdriver.

引用自 Aahzmandias：

Supermarkets usually do not sell turds or spoiled food. They actually have quality control or they would be very soon out of business.

Supermarkets sell food, not entertainment products.
Similarly to Steam, videoclubs have had crappy and adult movies filling the shelves for as long they existed, and people have rented them all that time.

[Brian9824]

引用自 Tito Shivan：

If you're looking for specific kinds of games, use the search function. Restrict by genre and tags to find what fits your tastes.

The new and trendy and the discovery queue are more akin to window shopping, you may find something you like, but there's going to be a lot of things in there which isn't quite for you.

Hidden gems are called that way for a reason. If they were easy to find they wouldn't be 'hidden'.

It's been some time since discoverability for games moved out of Steam. Way before 'the crap came in' games moved to channels like YouTube and Twitch to make themselves known.

Use the tools for the right job for the best results. A hammer will drive a screw into wood... But it's easier to use a screwdriver.

引用自 Aahzmandias：

Supermarkets usually do not sell turds or spoiled food. They actually have quality control or they would be very soon out of business.

Supermarkets sell food, not entertainment products.
Similarly to Steam, videoclubs have had crappy and adult movies filling the shelves for as long they existed, and people have rented them all that time.

Hey what is wrong with Carnosaur? https://www.amazon.com/Carnosaur-Diane-Ladd/dp/B00004OCXU/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=carnosaur&qid=1636576936&sr=8-2

[Pscht]

I don't trust tags. They are misapplied really often.

[The nameless Gamer]

引用自 Pscht：

I don't trust tags. They are misapplied really often.

Some of them yes. But tags like "RTS", "Metroidvania", "2D fighter" and similar genre-defining tags tend to be helpful far more often than not.

[Start_Running]

引用自 Tito Shivan：

If you're looking for specific kinds of games, use the search function. Restrict by genre and tags to find what fits your tastes.

The new and trendy and the discovery queue are more akin to window shopping, you may find something you like, but there's going to be a lot of things in there which isn't quite for you.

Hidden gems are called that way for a reason. If they were easy to find they wouldn't be 'hidden'.

And they really don'y exist in the way people talk about them. And they usually became hidden because they were eclipsed by more high profile games. Like say it had the misfortune of releasing in the same week/month as a new Mario game.

Plus the phrase 'Hidden Gems' looks great in listicles because makes the reader immediately think they missed something important.

It's been some time since discoverability for games moved out of Steam. Way before 'the crap came in' games moved to channels like YouTube and Twitch to make themselves known.

Steam still does a pretty good job with the new and popular, and recommendation, featured, etc for me. But then my interest strike zone is as large as as the broadside of a body positive elephant.

引用自 Aahzmandias：

Supermarkets usually do not sell turds or spoiled food. They actually have quality control or they would be very soon out of business.

Supermarkets sell food, not entertainment products.
Similarly to Steam, videoclubs have had crappy and adult movies filling the shelves for as long they existed, and people have rented them all that time.

Because sometimes.. You just feel the urge to Binge the Entire Toxic crusader saga.

[Tito Shivan]

引用自 Start_Running：

Plus the phrase 'Hidden Gems' looks great in listicles because makes the reader immediately think they missed something important.

One thing I followed religiously every sale in the old forums was the 'hidden gems' threads (now they happen on Reddit) Most of the time the games in there weren't really 'hidden' ones. Mostly niche games but not specially obscure ones.

[3lives]

I stopped buying or even looking through small, cheapish indie games on steam ever since they opened the floodgates and made a swamp. If it goes in a bundle I'll take a look at it, which automatically excludes everything not tied to a publisher with connections.
Too bad, but that's just how it goes I presume.

[wuddih]

引用自 Kushites：

I'm not sure what the criteria for getting a game on here is

paying $100 which are recoupable if it does $1000 revenue .. and a few simple content rules.

there will be no "quality control" as "quality" is subjective. Valve never did quality control for Steam and they expressed multiple times over the past 15 years that they will never do that.

b-b-but Greenlight?
Greenlight also was not crowdsourced quality control, it was a waiting queue organizer for Valve and just an easy-to-built tool, as it was just a workshop fork, to pass the time until Steam Direct.

Valve has put enough parameters in place to motivate product owners to only put stuff on Steam that prints money and for you there are enough tools to find and filter things to look for.

[ReBoot]

Can anyone help me correct my perspective? I get the theoretical idea of good games being hard to find when buried under heap tons of cheap trash, but I don't see it in practice.

In practice, there's more awesome new relases that I notice (and most likely more than I don't) than I got time to play. (unmarried, no kids, no mortgage, 35h work/week->plenty time to play).

Let's assume that the description of that swamp ain't exagerated to make a point and it actually exists. What don't I see?

I am not trolling. This is not one of dem populist "I am just asking questions (while actually attacking the topic at hand)"-questions. I genuinely want help to see the situation.

[Walach]

Maybe we can have a yearly vote for who gets to decide what can be sold on Steam?
I see NO problems in that solution, perfect in any and every way! ;P

I don't really know of a way to "fix" this. Other than to be the lucky one that likes the games that does not get curated away from the platform. :/
Maybe add a option that doesn't take a single persons considerations into account, hmmmm. ;)

[The nameless Gamer]

引用自 Walach：

Maybe we can have a yearly vote for who gets to decide what can be sold on Steam?
I see NO problems in that solution, perfect in any and every way! ;P

I don't really know of a way to "fix" this. Other than to be the lucky one that likes the games that does not get curated away from the platform. :/
Maybe add a option that doesn't take a single persons considerations into account, hmmmm. ;)

How many votes would determine whether a game gets released or not? Many obscure games rely on the "word of mouth" advertising and not many get attention from Youtubers and others. Many good niche games would suffer.

[The nameless Gamer]

引用自 grovercleavland0：

引用自 The nameless Commander：

How many votes would determine whether a game gets released or not? Many obscure games rely on the "word of mouth" advertising and not many get attention from Youtubers and others. Many good niche games would suffer.

They already do suffer due to Steam having no quality control and allowing nearly 10k games on the store each year.

Are we talking quality control? Or taste specifics? Because most people who complain about "quality" on this forum are actually more upset that the released games don't match their taste for one reason or another.

[The nameless Gamer]

引用自 grovercleavland0：

Quality control.

What criteria would fall under that? What defines a game's quality outside of the technical aspect? Content is subjective and therefore cannot be one of the criteria.
Edit: unless it's content violating the Steam TOS.

[Wolf]

I remember the Steam Greenlight, that was the last time before Steam become a pile of trash games (well, not all, but there are a lot of crap games on the store).