Console emulators is considered piracy?

[jtrent238]

Console emulators is considered piracy?

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[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Yes.

Because they are.

[jtrent238]

Well I did not know that. lol :)

[Gus the Crocodile]

İlk olarak cSg|mc-Hotsauce tarafından gönderildi:

Yes.

Because they are.

:qr:

No, they aren't. This is a lie.

Downloading or distributing pirated software is piracy. Emulators are not pirated software.

[🍋 Lemonfed 🍋]

because console games are licensed to only be used for the console they where made for ... so technically the only ''legit'' thing you can do with them is running homebrew games. (or game that where publicly release in the public domain like daikatana for the gameboy color)

[Ogami]

It does not really matter what the legal status of emulators is, the Steam forum guidelines forbid any discussion about them. Thats the end of it.

[cinedine]

İlk olarak Gus the Crocodile tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak cSg|mc-Hotsauce tarafından gönderildi:

Yes.

Because they are.

:qr:

No, they aren't. This is a lie.

Downloading or distributing pirated software is piracy. Emulators are not pirated software.

Unless you can find an officially supported and downloadable version of the emulated game, this is exactly what it is.

[Gus the Crocodile]

İlk olarak cinedine tarafından gönderildi:

Unless you can find an officially supported and downloadable version of the emulated game, this is exactly what it is.

No, you're conflating two separate things.

The game is pirated software. As well as sometimes things like BIOS files etc.
The emulator is not.

Discussing the emulator, without discussing piracy, should not ever be against the rules.

[Teksura]

İlk olarak Gus the Crocodile tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak cSg|mc-Hotsauce tarafından gönderildi:

Yes.

Because they are.

No, they aren't. This is a lie.

Downloading or distributing pirated software is piracy. Emulators are not pirated software.

This is a technicality. The emulator itself is not piracy. But the emulator is useless without the pirated ROM of the game. The sole purpose of the emulator is to play pirated software, which is why there is no need to draw a distincion.

[cinedine]

İlk olarak Gus the Crocodile tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak cinedine tarafından gönderildi:

Unless you can find an officially supported and downloadable version of the emulated game, this is exactly what it is.

No, you're conflating two separate things.

The game is pirated software. As well as sometimes things like BIOS files etc.
The emulator is not.

Discussing the emulator, without discussing piracy, should not ever be against the rules.

Well, jeez, I wonder why you would use a console emulator ...

[Gus the Crocodile]

İlk olarak Teksura tarafından gönderildi:

This is a technicality. The emulator itself is not piracy. But the emulator is useless without the pirated ROM of the game.

No, it's useless without a game. The game doesn't have to be pirated.

İlk olarak cinedine tarafından gönderildi:

Well, jeez, I wonder why you would use a console emulator ...

To play console games. Playing console games is legal.

[🍋 Lemonfed 🍋]

thing is that almost everytime peoples talk about emulators they're talking about games they've downloaded from pirate websites and not stuff like the sega genesis and mega drive collection that is on steam and actually legit.

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

Legal or not legal is kind of a moot point right now because these types of discussions are taboo on Steam.

[Satoru]

İlk olarak Gus the Crocodile tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak cSg|mc-Hotsauce tarafından gönderildi:

Yes.

Because they are.

:qr:

No, they aren't. This is a lie.

Downloading or distributing pirated software is piracy. Emulators are not pirated software.

Most emulators that are post PS1 are functionally piracy since you can't actually USE them without the bios, which is copyrighted and thus is basically piracy

İlk olarak Gus the Crocodile tarafından gönderildi:

o, it's useless without a game. The game doesn't have to be pirated.

Copyright allows right holders to control how their content is distributed. This woudl be like having a hard copy of a book but then downloading an ebook version and claiming it wasnt piracy because you owned a hard copy.

[Teksura]

İlk olarak Gus the Crocodile tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Teksura tarafından gönderildi:

This is a technicality. The emulator itself is not piracy. But the emulator is useless without the pirated ROM of the game.

No, it's useless without a game. The game doesn't have to be pirated.

... You're deluding yourself. You can't download legal copies of console games to run on your emulator. Developers just don't do that. If they want to make it available for PC, they make a PC version. They don't release the raw ROM and then require you to turn around and download a third party application to emulate the hardware.

[Gus the Crocodile]

İlk olarak Satoru tarafından gönderildi:

Most emulators that are post PS1 are functionally piracy since you can't actually USE them without the bios, which is copyrighted and thus is basically piracy

You can dump the BIOS yourself.

İlk olarak Teksura tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Gus the Crocodile tarafından gönderildi:

No, it's useless without a game. The game doesn't have to be pirated.

... You're deluding yourself. You can't download legal copies of console games to run on your emulator.

I didn’t say you can. I own several PlayStation games for instance, but no longer own a PlayStation.

Again, I’m entirely in favour of discussions of piracy being against the rules. I’m against Steam giving in to console manufacturer propaganda and vilifying emulation fundamentally.