Overwatch 2021 年 4 月 27 日 下午 12:09
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Why are we limited to ignoring a maximum of 10 tags?
I have said it before, and I will repeat this for your benefit Steam.

Every inch of your store page is valuable.

Showing me games that I will absolutely, under no circumstance purchase, is money out of your pocket.

Limiting me to 10 tags in my ignore list means that 50% of the games you show me are something I just have to click through. I'm not going to buy them.

And you don't have infinite space. You have a few highlight sections. And they are mostly a waste of space.

If I WANT to go out of my way to find something to buy, then it's not a problem. But that's not how YOU want this to work. You want to "discover" some games to show me, in the hopes that I will buy something on a whim. And with your current system, you are wasting effort/bandwidth/store front space.

The silly thing is, you KNOW the tags I want to ignore. You have a list that suggests tags based on my frequently ignored games. And this list is 22 tags long. You already know I want to ignore all 22 of them.

The 10 I'm ignoring now is the set that includes the highest percentage of suggested games. I can't make it any more efficient for you. And the results are still only 50% effective.

Let us ignore more tags.

You will sell more games if you know what NOT to show us.
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Overwatch 2022 年 2 月 6 日 上午 12:09 
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If you're someone into very niche game types...

I'm not. And I'm SUPER tired of explaining it.

Go re-read my first 3 posts. My arguments haven't changed. Every point is just as valid, thought out, and backed by experience as when I wrote them.

I applaud the efforts, but there hasn't been any real objections to anything I have said other than "*shrug, there must be a reason they are doing it this way..."
cinedine 2022 年 2 月 6 日 上午 1:24 
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引用自 cinedine

Not really, it's just how the system works.

What?

If a system fails to achieve it's purchase, it is bad. Period.

  • Steam sell games.
  • System put games in front of eyes.
  • Does suggestion result in sale?
    • Yes - System is good.
    • No - System is bad.

It's a "discovery" system. It works for many people. The conversation rate (people visiting a store page and proceeding to buy the product") for shops is hilariously bad. 2 % is considered very good.
Just accept the system is not useful for you. There are other ways to find games you might like. The discovery queue is little more than a personalized window shopping.


Either way tho it's still a massive pain for us looking for very very specfic games.

IE: I currently play Titan Outpost and Project Zomboid. Both of which are gems imho.

Problem is, if I search tags specific to them I still gotta look through 99% fluff and filler, and in the past 2 months of looking I haven't found anything that actually matches those two games in complexity, design, type, genre.

Refer to what Tito was saying earlier. You are using the wrong tool for the job.
If you want to find games similar to one you like, use the "deep delve" feature on the sotre page. Every store page has a section "More like this". If the feature is still available (it was part of the Steam Labs thingy, no idea), it should keep showing you more things like the ones you were recently visiting, the more you use it.

Or use https://steampeek.hu. Can't emphasize eough, how good it is in most cases.
Titan Outpost: https://steampeek.hu/?appid=944180
Project Zomboid: https://steampeek.hu/?appid=108600
Start_Running 2022 年 2 月 6 日 上午 1:48 
引用自 Overwatch
引用自 Overwatch
If you're someone into very niche game types...

I'm not. And I'm SUPER tired of explaining it.

Go re-read my first 3 posts. My arguments haven't changed. Every point is just as valid, thought out, and backed by experience as when I wrote them.

I applaud the efforts, but there hasn't been any real objections to anything I have said other than "*shrug, there must be a reason they are doing it this way..."
You mean aside from the fact that at some point your exclusions will result in zero visible ttitles at all?

Never mind tthat the Queue's main function is to nott only pioint to things in your sphere of interest butalso to get you to widen tha sphere.

If you find the queue isn't working for you...stop using it and use something else.
Tito Shivan 2022 年 2 月 6 日 上午 2:09 
Problem is, if I search tags specific to them I still gotta look through 99% fluff and filler, and in the past 2 months of looking I haven't found anything that actually matches those two games in complexity, design, type, genre.
CRPG+Colony sim returns 9 results:
https://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=4474%2C220585
Colony Sim + Survival 297 results
https://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=220585%2C1662
75 if we further restrict the search by adding the 'Sci-Fi' tag
https://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=220585%2C1662%2C3942

You may also want to consider you're bound to not find much options once you restrict a search deep enough.

I love what 7DtD brings to the table but I'm conscious there's going to be very few games (If not just one) that brings exactly the same 7DtD offers to me.

There's millions of games out there, but there's also millions of gamers. The chances of any game fitting the very specific tastes of any gamer to a larg extent are very low.


引用自 Overwatch
If a system fails to achieve it's purchase, it is bad. Period.

  • Steam sell games.
  • System put games in front of eyes.
  • Does suggestion result in sale?
    • Yes - System is good.
    • No - System is bad.
Consider it's just one way to try to achieve purchases. It doesn't need to work 100% of the time. Just like any curator you follow or a friend you have can recommend a game you don't like.
crunchyfrog 2022 年 2 月 6 日 上午 7:25 
引用自 Overwatch
引用自 Overwatch
If you're someone into very niche game types...

I'm not. And I'm SUPER tired of explaining it.

Go re-read my first 3 posts. My arguments haven't changed. Every point is just as valid, thought out, and backed by experience as when I wrote them.

I applaud the efforts, but there hasn't been any real objections to anything I have said other than "*shrug, there must be a reason they are doing it this way..."
Except as I pointed out when you get to 10 levels deep on tags it's like 6 degress of Kevin Bacone. It becomes USELESS.

You can't escape that.
R.4.V.3.N 2022 年 2 月 6 日 上午 7:50 
引用自 Tito Shivan
Problem is, if I search tags specific to them I still gotta look through 99% fluff and filler, and in the past 2 months of looking I haven't found anything that actually matches those two games in complexity, design, type, genre.
CRPG+Colony sim returns 9 results:
https://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=4474%2C220585
Colony Sim + Survival 297 results
https://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=220585%2C1662
75 if we further restrict the search by adding the 'Sci-Fi' tag
https://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=220585%2C1662%2C3942

You may also want to consider you're bound to not find much options once you restrict a search deep enough.

I love what 7DtD brings to the table but I'm conscious there's going to be very few games (If not just one) that brings exactly the same 7DtD offers to me.

There's millions of games out there, but there's also millions of gamers. The chances of any game fitting the very specific tastes of any gamer to a larg extent are very low.


引用自 Overwatch
If a system fails to achieve it's purchase, it is bad. Period.

  • Steam sell games.
  • System put games in front of eyes.
  • Does suggestion result in sale?
    • Yes - System is good.
    • No - System is bad.
Consider it's just one way to try to achieve purchases. It doesn't need to work 100% of the time. Just like any curator you follow or a friend you have can recommend a game you don't like.


I see. So it's more likely that the games I enjoy the most are just rare then. Heck.

Most zombie games are just Rust/DayZ clones (I haven't tried 7d2d yet, does it have stuff like electrical, plumbing, and mechanics?). And so far Titan Outpost is the only game that does what it does at it's core.

The problem is prolly me then, being too much of a prude with my money nowadays.
crunchyfrog 2022 年 2 月 6 日 上午 7:53 
引用自 Tito Shivan
CRPG+Colony sim returns 9 results:
https://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=4474%2C220585
Colony Sim + Survival 297 results
https://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=220585%2C1662
75 if we further restrict the search by adding the 'Sci-Fi' tag
https://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=220585%2C1662%2C3942

You may also want to consider you're bound to not find much options once you restrict a search deep enough.

I love what 7DtD brings to the table but I'm conscious there's going to be very few games (If not just one) that brings exactly the same 7DtD offers to me.

There's millions of games out there, but there's also millions of gamers. The chances of any game fitting the very specific tastes of any gamer to a larg extent are very low.



Consider it's just one way to try to achieve purchases. It doesn't need to work 100% of the time. Just like any curator you follow or a friend you have can recommend a game you don't like.


I see. So it's more likely that the games I enjoy the most are just rare then. Heck.

Most zombie games are just Rust/DayZ clones (I haven't tried 7d2d yet, does it have stuff like electrical, plumbing, and mechanics?). And so far Titan Outpost is the only game that does what it does at it's core.

The problem is prolly me then, being too much of a prude with my money nowadays.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with that/
Quite the opposite. Many people don't KNOW what they really like and regularly make mistakes either in buying stuff they don't research or buy stuff OTHER people like thinking that extends to them.

You KNOW what you like.

Sadly, if this means things are a bit niche, well that's a thing, but don't beat yourself up too much about it.

The only other things I'd recommend in cases like this is to try and spread your wings - either you can try and have a nose for other genres you haven't tried or you can go to somewhere like Gamefaqs and look up such other games on other platforms, and if there's enough it warrants buying that platform.

That's what I do.
R.4.V.3.N 2022 年 2 月 6 日 上午 8:11 
引用自 crunchyfrog


I see. So it's more likely that the games I enjoy the most are just rare then. Heck.

Most zombie games are just Rust/DayZ clones (I haven't tried 7d2d yet, does it have stuff like electrical, plumbing, and mechanics?). And so far Titan Outpost is the only game that does what it does at it's core.

The problem is prolly me then, being too much of a prude with my money nowadays.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with that/
Quite the opposite. Many people don't KNOW what they really like and regularly make mistakes either in buying stuff they don't research or buy stuff OTHER people like thinking that extends to them.

You KNOW what you like.

Sadly, if this means things are a bit niche, well that's a thing, but don't beat yourself up too much about it.

The only other things I'd recommend in cases like this is to try and spread your wings - either you can try and have a nose for other genres you haven't tried or you can go to somewhere like Gamefaqs and look up such other games on other platforms, and if there's enough it warrants buying that platform.

That's what I do.

Thats a valid point, maybe time to dust off GoG and see if there's any old school games on there I used to love. Should keep the boredom away lol.
crunchyfrog 2022 年 2 月 6 日 上午 10:26 
引用自 crunchyfrog
There's absolutely nothing wrong with that/
Quite the opposite. Many people don't KNOW what they really like and regularly make mistakes either in buying stuff they don't research or buy stuff OTHER people like thinking that extends to them.

You KNOW what you like.

Sadly, if this means things are a bit niche, well that's a thing, but don't beat yourself up too much about it.

The only other things I'd recommend in cases like this is to try and spread your wings - either you can try and have a nose for other genres you haven't tried or you can go to somewhere like Gamefaqs and look up such other games on other platforms, and if there's enough it warrants buying that platform.

That's what I do.

Thats a valid point, maybe time to dust off GoG and see if there's any old school games on there I used to love. Should keep the boredom away lol.
Yup, that's generally what I do.

I've found the last year or so games (in the triple A sense) have been lacking. So I've been dipping ever more into older titles I may have missed. There's always plenty to cinsider I find.
TristanMike 2022 年 2 月 6 日 上午 10:57 
This thread is insane. Like, I can't believe the level of disagreement over the OP asking for 5-10 more tags to ignore. Like if that happens it's going to be some weird slippery slope thing where it's going to lead to a billion tags being able to be ignored or the end of Steam where you are ignoring so many titles you're in some strange Steam Store version of the Matrix Construct.

I am at a complete loss as to how this is anything but a simple, reasonable request. It seems like a case of, if you don't want to use the extra tags, don't use them. I mean, Valve can make poor decisions. It's possible that they have made the wrong decision limiting it to 10. I can't believe this has gone 7 pages in disagreement. I can't believe I read all 7 but it was like a bad book I couldn't put down.
crunchyfrog 2022 年 2 月 6 日 上午 11:02 
引用自 TristanMike
This thread is insane. Like, I can't believe the level of disagreement over the OP asking for 5-10 more tags to ignore. Like if that happens it's going to be some weird slippery slope thing where it's going to lead to a billion tags being able to be ignored or the end of Steam where you are ignoring so many titles you're in some strange Steam Store version of the Matrix Construct.

I am at a complete loss as to how this is anything but a simple, reasonable request. It seems like a case of, if you don't want to use the extra tags, don't use them. I mean, Valve can make poor decisions. It's possible that they have made the wrong decision limiting it to 10. I can't believe this has gone 7 pages in disagreement. I can't believe I read all 7 but it was like a bad book I couldn't put down.
That's because you're not understanding the problem that causes. It won't work.

The reason I gave the 6 dfegress of Kevin Bacon is because it's directly analogous.

If you don't know what that is, way back in the dim and distant early days of the net there was a website that went on with the common meme of the time that Kevin Bacon had appeared in so many films, you could literally mention ANYONE and within a few steps connect them.

So, choose someone like Elon Musk. ELon Musk might know someone like Brad Pitt and Brad Pitt knows Keving Bacon. That's two steps.

Basically, someone wrote a site and you could mention absolutely anyone who is mderately famous in any way, and it would ALWAYS return the link to Kevin Bacon within 6 steps.

Why? Because that's as far as you can go. Everybody literally is 6 degress removed from him


SO this is the same thing. If you have a tag remove stuff, then another to remove stuff from that previuos result, it doesn't take many steps before it makes no sense.

You see? That's the problem. You can't fix this because logic is logic na dcan't change.
Tito Shivan 2022 年 2 月 6 日 上午 11:07 
I see. So it's more likely that the games I enjoy the most are just rare then. Heck.
It tends to happen the more specifics you want to include in what you're looking for.

I love First Person Shooters, However I also love plating alone, so I value a lot FPSs where you can play bot matches. Unfortunately that's something quite niche in actual gaming. So at the end of the day I have to make compromises. Or putting up with playing online a game I like quite but doesn't support bot/solo play or play bot matches in games I may not like that much but allow me to play that way.

Most zombie games are just Rust/DayZ clones (I haven't tried 7d2d yet, does it have stuff like electrical, plumbing, and mechanics?). And so far Titan Outpost is the only game that does what it does at it's core.
7DtD is more likely a Rust/DayZ clone if you look at it from a gameplay perspective.
The things I like of 7DtD are quite niche, to be honest. Mostly the ability play lone and to fully customise the game and its difficulty (Through editing the XML files holding all the setings and stats). I can play the game the way I want to. However (and speaking of compromises) There's things I'm not fond of, like the art style and the way the devs changed the voxelization of the world.

The problem is prolly me then, being too much of a prude with my money nowadays.
Nothing bad on being picky with your purchases, I am.
Niche gaming has always been a tought pick. Fortunately there's no time like the present to have chances of having that specific gaming itch scratched.

引用自 TristanMike
This thread is insane. Like, I can't believe the level of disagreement over the OP asking for 5-10 more tags to ignore.
The problem of 'just adding more tags' is that it doesn't solve the problem, it just moves the goalposts.
At some moment 10 tags won't be enough either, and we'll need 15, 20, 50... 100.
There's always going to be someone suggesting on the forums the actual limit isn't enough. Just like happens with refund limits.
最後修改者:Tito Shivan; 2022 年 2 月 6 日 上午 11:10
R.4.V.3.N 2022 年 2 月 6 日 上午 11:23 
引用自 crunchyfrog
引用自 TristanMike
This thread is insane. Like, I can't believe the level of disagreement over the OP asking for 5-10 more tags to ignore. Like if that happens it's going to be some weird slippery slope thing where it's going to lead to a billion tags being able to be ignored or the end of Steam where you are ignoring so many titles you're in some strange Steam Store version of the Matrix Construct.

I am at a complete loss as to how this is anything but a simple, reasonable request. It seems like a case of, if you don't want to use the extra tags, don't use them. I mean, Valve can make poor decisions. It's possible that they have made the wrong decision limiting it to 10. I can't believe this has gone 7 pages in disagreement. I can't believe I read all 7 but it was like a bad book I couldn't put down.
That's because you're not understanding the problem that causes. It won't work.

The reason I gave the 6 dfegress of Kevin Bacon is because it's directly analogous.

If you don't know what that is, way back in the dim and distant early days of the net there was a website that went on with the common meme of the time that Kevin Bacon had appeared in so many films, you could literally mention ANYONE and within a few steps connect them.

So, choose someone like Elon Musk. ELon Musk might know someone like Brad Pitt and Brad Pitt knows Keving Bacon. That's two steps.

Basically, someone wrote a site and you could mention absolutely anyone who is mderately famous in any way, and it would ALWAYS return the link to Kevin Bacon within 6 steps.

Why? Because that's as far as you can go. Everybody literally is 6 degress removed from him


SO this is the same thing. If you have a tag remove stuff, then another to remove stuff from that previuos result, it doesn't take many steps before it makes no sense.

You see? That's the problem. You can't fix this because logic is logic na dcan't change.



I don't see how celebrities matter for this. Also you're talking about social crap, has nothign to do with products...

30 Exclusion slots ain't much but at least it can cover a lot of the annoying ♥♥♥♥ like all the scammy hentai games and their tags, the anime ♥♥♥♥, the clickers/idlers, etc. All of which require more than a few slots to ignore... 10 just doesn't cover it...
R.4.V.3.N 2022 年 2 月 6 日 上午 11:25 
引用自 crunchyfrog


I see. So it's more likely that the games I enjoy the most are just rare then. Heck.

Most zombie games are just Rust/DayZ clones (I haven't tried 7d2d yet, does it have stuff like electrical, plumbing, and mechanics?). And so far Titan Outpost is the only game that does what it does at it's core.

The problem is prolly me then, being too much of a prude with my money nowadays.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with that/
Quite the opposite. Many people don't KNOW what they really like and regularly make mistakes either in buying stuff they don't research or buy stuff OTHER people like thinking that extends to them.

You KNOW what you like.

Sadly, if this means things are a bit niche, well that's a thing, but don't beat yourself up too much about it.

The only other things I'd recommend in cases like this is to try and spread your wings - either you can try and have a nose for other genres you haven't tried or you can go to somewhere like Gamefaqs and look up such other games on other platforms, and if there's enough it warrants buying that platform.

That's what I do.


It oddly feels like a curse to know what I like >.<. I miss the days when I could just enjoy 90% of any games I played that came out in the 90's and early 2000's.

Nowadays it's like most games are lackluster.
crunchyfrog 2022 年 2 月 6 日 上午 11:39 
引用自 crunchyfrog
That's because you're not understanding the problem that causes. It won't work.

The reason I gave the 6 dfegress of Kevin Bacon is because it's directly analogous.

If you don't know what that is, way back in the dim and distant early days of the net there was a website that went on with the common meme of the time that Kevin Bacon had appeared in so many films, you could literally mention ANYONE and within a few steps connect them.

So, choose someone like Elon Musk. ELon Musk might know someone like Brad Pitt and Brad Pitt knows Keving Bacon. That's two steps.

Basically, someone wrote a site and you could mention absolutely anyone who is mderately famous in any way, and it would ALWAYS return the link to Kevin Bacon within 6 steps.

Why? Because that's as far as you can go. Everybody literally is 6 degress removed from him


SO this is the same thing. If you have a tag remove stuff, then another to remove stuff from that previuos result, it doesn't take many steps before it makes no sense.

You see? That's the problem. You can't fix this because logic is logic na dcan't change.



I don't see how celebrities matter for this. Also you're talking about social crap, has nothign to do with products...

30 Exclusion slots ain't much but at least it can cover a lot of the annoying ♥♥♥♥ like all the scammy hentai games and their tags, the anime ♥♥♥♥, the clickers/idlers, etc. All of which require more than a few slots to ignore... 10 just doesn't cover it...

TYhat's because you're not understanding what an ANALGOY is.

The subject matter doesn't matter. it's THE LOGIC that matters.

It could be banans, knitting, small dachsunds called Susan or anything else.

The point is that the same logic applies.

And in this case the point is that when you are trying to go furhter down search terms, you meet a point where it becomes useless, and as humans we lack perception to understna dthat this happnes REALLY bloody quickly.

Ergo, with the billions of people in the world it seems odd that you can reach Keving Bacon within 6 steps, doesn't it?

So the same applies with games - when you start with ALL the games, and whittle down each level by removing something, it dones't take many steps before you're left with either nothing or nothing useful.

Furthermore, I challenge ANYONE to give me more than ten tags that are disparate to remove from searches and show ANY feasible result.

Id on't think it's possible.

Even games which bridge genres can't be adequately filtered this way.
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