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Who's mass-collecting achievements on a private profile?... Just you? If that's what you mean, you're literally the first person I've heard of who does that, after years and years of achievement hunting and talking amongst other players.
Are you saying the consumers should be held liable for the actions of the developers then? Considering the consumers are affected as well, I'm not sure what to think about that. If the developers were already punished by having the games removed, then Steam's job should be over.
Not sure what you mean about the last point.
ALL claims have a burden of proof. This is absolute logic.
If I told you I had a pet in my kitchen, you'd likely take that on face value. If I told you that pet was a dragon, well you'd rightly want evidence and it's MY burden of proof.
I don't care how hard it is to get - YOU made the claim and it sounds so unusual, of course I'm not going to believe it on face value. But if you can provide such evidence, I'll happily believe it and thank you for it.
That's how reasoning works.
And as for the definitions and explanation of cesnroship, again you are not using logic correctly. YOU claimed something was censorship. YOUR burnde of proof not mine. I simply doubted it, and when you explained or tried to, I pointed out the flaws with YOUR claim.
If you don't understand this, go and look up "the gumball analogy" in philosophy. You'll find Matt Dillahunty on Yourtube has done this.
Except I did.
Please demonstrate what was wrong with my claim.
Do broken achievements violate agreements between developers and Valve?
It doesn't matter whether I find it unusual. It doesn't change your burden of proof, so instead of trying to wriggle out of it, how about you just provide it?
Otherwise the ONLY conclusion MUST be to disblieve it.
No I didn't say any of that - I KNEW you didn't understand it. I said it was indeed not demonstrated as censorship (as YOU described). This does not mean censorship isn't happening - it just means what YOU claimed is censorship isn't. And that is what happens when companies want to sell more in a market, they change it. That AIN'T censorship.
On the last one I didn't reply? Maybe because you weren't getting it or I was asleep. I'm not infallible.
Now that evidence for your claim please or just say forget it. Either way's cool.
I felt this way earlier as well, it’s quite strange that Valve wants to set the standards years later instead of when it was actually considered to be an issue. Yet they’re not also not fixing other issues like games containing unearnable achievements. With help from one of the several achievement trackers, Valve could easily check and remove unearnable achievements from games, or at least throw them into a separate category of achievements.
Similar to achievements from removed games. They could very easily just make that it’s own achievement category as well, but so far they refuse to. Instead they’d rather just punish the consumers years later for buying games Valve said were “quality products.”
No they cannot.
What if the achievement was made unobtainable later in the game's life cycle? Defiance on PSN for example ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up all the DLC trophies because the deliver the game with an incomplete trophy list to the system. However, if you have it installed from before the ♥♥♥♥-up you can still obtain them.
If you simply remove them, then you have the exact same situation about people complaining why their achievements were removed. And this time they actually have worked for them instead of merely bought them.
And what happens if developers fix the achievements later down? Yes, this happens. Years later even.
Broken achievements are a GAME issue. Not a PLATFORM one. They happen everywhere. PSN, LIVE, Steam, GOG, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Kongegrate ... even in-game.
Do you even get the irony of complaining about Valve "removing" achievements or merely putting them into "a different category" (non profile featurable) and then ask for the very same thing to be applied?
Again: never happened.
And you really think it's unusual for a company to change their minds later down the line? Give me break.
This is going in circles ...
No. Hell, Valve themselves has unobtainable achievements on their games on other platforms.
I mean if Valve wants to be the ones who remove achievements from people’s profiles, the least they can do is have the courtesy to remove broken achievements from games. You know, something achievement hunters have been asking about for years now.
Nope? There’s a clear difference between asking for multiple categories of achievements and outright removal (they no longer show up on your profile.) I have never at any point agreed with outright removal. Not like making multiple categories or achievements would be hard though.
I lost about ~20 perfect games. For what it is worth, I find the debate in this thread interesting. I'm on team, "I don't really care; I like getting 100%s but the experience of playing a game is my main focus/enjoyment."
Well said. I feel pretty much the same way. It's not really a big deal, but it's interesting to speculate on what exactly prompted all of this to happen so suddenly.
Steam did not remove anything from those games, they've just hidden already existing features from appearing on the users profiles. My guess is that Steam didn't even hide those achievements specifically, i think they just put those banned games under the "Profile Features Limited" tag but i can't verify this since there is no store page for those games anymore (which made me wondering if a "Features limited" showcase would be possible but at the same time that would be contradictory to put them under the "Profile Features limited" category and to show them on the profile... i'm just stupid
They can't directly modify features, like removing or even hiding broken achievements, only those who own the game have that right unless of course those features doesn't respect Steam rules (like a few weeks back, a game was apparently hacked and they modified pictures for the cards of said game to show real murder pictures, Steam removed those cards and they had the right to do so since they did not follow the rules).
Putting those achievements under a new category would be like modifying them and even if they are not in contract those who own these games anymore doesn't mean Steam own them.
But i agree with you, something should be made for some achievements, and i'm not even talking about broken achievements, especially when workaround exist like mods and even SAM, but i'm more talking about Troll achievements that a developer create just to troll achievements hunters by making it unobtainable even through mods or SAM (like the "Level Four Revive Materia" from Hate Plus, still at 0% after 7 years since release). But sadly like i said Steam can't modify anything from a game, they can't remove an achievement, it's up to the developer to "fix" their games, what they could do however is offer the users the possibility to reset their achievements progress from their account for any game they want so it goes back to 0% and doesn't count toward your "Avg. Game Completion Rate" in your showcase (and after that you can simply ignore, hide or even remove that game from your account).
I did know most of those games. To be honest, some were badly made. No doubt,but then there's a few that were okay made and the ASCII games were pretty fun imo. Maybe the retro feeling helped. the Safeguard Garison and Tracks of Triumph were entertaining games and even challeging. But maybe that's because I didn't expect much from them. I just rate games on how much fun they are..
To me this is very upsetting, then again i'm not one of those that will buy achievments .. fkin lame to be honest, REMOVE all these crap "games" , very annoying ...
Again, they never left. They always were there, just not part of the global tally.