Can we get an amen for moderators?

[RcsPcsN1]

Moderators here and there are helping stop conversations or threads that have gone off topic and have people who are just purely trolling, and for that I thank you, especially Silicone Vampire.

[⎠⎝Zushikatetomoto⎠⎝ UFO]

Цитата допису Tito Shivan:

You guys are drifting a lil bit too much.
Just saying

I agree with you one that 100%.

[Fletch]

Цитата допису Tito Shivan:

You guys are drifting a lil bit too much.
Just saying

This kind of warning comment is needed more on Steam discussions, thanks Tito.

The reason I don't think most mods do a good job is that the slightest drift or uppity comments and a thread is locked instantly.

I have seen a lot of really good discussions get derailed by an idiot. Instead of being warned or the individual getting banned you get a mod come say "discussion going off topic, locked". Some mods do this much more than others, naming no names.

I respect that mods are trying to keep threads on topic but it sometimes seems pointless getting interested in a discussion because threads are so fragile they can be locked at any moment.

[McGillicutti]

Цитата допису Fletch:

Цитата допису Tito Shivan:

You guys are drifting a lil bit too much.
Just saying

This kind of warning comment is needed more on Steam discussions, thanks Tito.

The reason I don't think most mods do a good job is that the slightest drift or uppity comments and a thread is locked instantly.

I have seen a lot of really good discussions get derailed by an idiot. Instead of being warned or the individual getting banned you get a mod come say "discussion going off topic, locked". Some mods do this much more than others, naming no names.

I respect that mods are trying to keep threads on topic but it sometimes seems pointless getting interested in a discussion because threads are so fragile they can be locked at any moment.

In the same vein...

"Bias."

Bias is something, as I tried to delineate before, that folks who are genuinely working for Valve Steam, so far as I have seen, do not have.

I have seen it from Moderators who work for Publishers and/or Developers, and my issue is that these particular Moderators, their actions, need to well delineate who they are acting for, and notify we, the customer, who to accurately contact about their actions. That biased Player and/or Developer moderators can act and have me making tickets to Steam Support only to be told I have to go to the Publisher and/or Developer's website because we, new and sometimes years older in Steam age Steam Users, have no easy way to know it's not a Valve Steam Moderator who took action against us at the time of being reprimanded, be it warning, ban, etc. I submit it would behoove Valve Steam to assure we, the Steam User who action is being taken against by a Publisher and/or Developer Mod to receive expedited knowledge, maybe even an actual email link/address to the Publisher and/or Developer on the Community Message of Reprimand when a Publisher and/or Developer Moderator takes action against us, to have a clear knowledge of the responsible party and record for us should the action require legal action on our part.

My incident of a perma-ban that I described above happened on a game that isn't even sold on Steam. Want to talk about befuddled? I am stuck with arbitration on the idea it's a Steam issue. But I know it isn't and had nothing to do with Steam. However all records I have indicate, "if you want to appeal this ban contact Steam Support." If you ever wanted to see see how easily a biased Publisher and/or Developer Moderator can make a Steam User become an annoyance to Steam Customer Support, well you just found it.

So the bias of these Publisher and/or Developer Moderators, that can make Steam look bad too, a bias that appears, by the Publisher and/or Developer Moderator who perma-banned me failing to note a reason for my ban, to lead these Publisher and Developer Moderators to think the rules that apply to Steam Moderators don't apply to them, and in fact maybe they don't, isn't helping Valve Customer Support, or Valve Steam Moderators that I refer to affectionately as Genuine Steam Moderators, nor helping Valve Steam as a whole, look as good as it really is to those who get caught up in a Publisher and/or Developer's bias, a bias enforced by Publisher and/or Developer Moderators or may well be those Publsiher and/or Developer Moderator's own personal bias.

Make no mistake: I am grateful for Genuine Steam Moderators, for Valve Steam Moderators they deserve applause, heck if there is a way let's pick a location and they should have an annual party that we afford for them to say thank you, without us meeting them or any of that, it's for them. I've seen the way we are and what these people put up with from us by knowing a few and close friends of a few and to see these people acting without bias, the Valve Steam Moderators, the Genuine Steam Moderators so well disciplined with so many that are just volunteers is, to me, is a miracle to behold.

And maybe the contrast of quality when we all too transparently go from Steam Community forums to a Community Forum Hub and are subject to the biased actions of Publisher and/or Developer Moderators that these stand out so blatantly out of character, but worse, such as mentioned above by another poster, closing threads over a subject important to Steam Users who play that game on Steam but had a troll or trolls and flamewar baiting efforts, only to have the thread closed upon the first sign of a problem Steam User and that this stands out and so offensive to us. As a Steam User I can say it appears that such locking of a thread action, which is a Moderator tool, is a reprimand in its own right of ALL the folks who were communicating their ideas on that thread. So it is this very Publisher and/or Developer bias & what appears a sometimes but always available subjective use of the tools Moderators have that appear sometimes to be used by Publisher and/or Developer Moderators against Steam Users as to why I cannot and will not identify those people in the same class of person or character as a Genuine Steam Moderator, a Valve Steam Moderator. I just can't do that in good conscience and I would hope no one demands me to.

I'll wager that 99 times out of 100, if not 999 out of 1000, that when someone has a negative issue with a Moderator when using Steam their negative issue is not with a Valve Steam Moderator, a Genuine Steam Moderator, but is instead a negative issue with a Publisher and/or Developer Moderator but that the lack of bold (as in loud) identifier delineating significant difference at the time of Community Message of Reprimand and that we're told to contact Steam Support regarding appeals is leading to erroneous blame of Valve, Steam and Genuine Steam Moderators, Valve Steam Moderators who do not deserve in any way whatsoever to be viewed, linked together, with these biased Publisher and/or Developer Moderators.

Celebrating the best is a great thing, and due to my personal experience with the worst that I am going to figure a platform with 90+ million users a day has a percentage of other users who are similarly situated, brought out a sense of necessity to mention the worst, the biased and how these easily and may well have wrongfully reflected on and led to misdirected blame of the best, the Valve Steam Moderators, the Genuine Steam Moderators, and I find that a wrong that I hope one day soon is fixed.

Disagreement is expected but I didn't post this to argue. It's just an effort to highlight the idea that maybe there needs to be clearer identifiers of Publisher and/or Developer Moderators with all appeal opportunities linking to them when it is their action to reprimand us in order to assure mistaken identity isn't erroneously negatively impacting Genuine Steam Moderators, Valve Steam Moderators and thereby erroneously impacting Valve and Steam.

[Jackhammer (Wholf)]

Цитата допису ReecesPiecesN1:

Moderators here and there are helping stop conversations or threads that have gone off topic and have people who are just purely trolling, and for that I thank you, especially Silicone Vampire.

There are also a lot of mod wanna be people ugh

[KillahInstinct]

Цитата допису Wholf ✪:

Цитата допису ReecesPiecesN1:

Moderators here and there are helping stop conversations or threads that have gone off topic and have people who are just purely trolling, and for that I thank you, especially Silicone Vampire.

There are also a lot of mod wanna be people ugh

Is what you define people trying to help other people as?

[Mr. G]

Цитата допису McGillicutti:

Цитата допису Fletch:

This kind of warning comment is needed more on Steam discussions, thanks Tito.

The reason I don't think most mods do a good job is that the slightest drift or uppity comments and a thread is locked instantly.

I have seen a lot of really good discussions get derailed by an idiot. Instead of being warned or the individual getting banned you get a mod come say "discussion going off topic, locked". Some mods do this much more than others, naming no names.

I respect that mods are trying to keep threads on topic but it sometimes seems pointless getting interested in a discussion because threads are so fragile they can be locked at any moment.

In the same vein...

Disagreement is expected but I didn't post this to argue. It's just an effort to highlight the idea that maybe there needs to be clearer identifiers of Publisher and/or Developer Moderators with all appeal opportunities linking to them when it is their action to reprimand us in order to assure mistaken identity isn't erroneously negatively impacting Genuine Steam Moderators, Valve Steam Moderators and thereby erroneously impacting Valve and Steam.

I can see and understand where you're coming from. At one point in my moderating career, I was moderating for eight different hubs and have seen similar cases to yours. To answer your question on, "No easy way to know it's not a Valve Steam Moderator who took action against us." You can actually tell whether the person who banned you is a Global Moderator, game hub moderator (publisher / developer mod), or a paid member of Steam Support. You'll notice at the top of your ban message it'll say, "Ban notification from a forum moderator." In this example, it's a game hub moderator that banned you. Otherwise, it'll either say Global Moderator or Steam Support. That's how you can tell.

[Drakensson]

No. I don't like being sugarsweet

[Spawn of Totoro]

Some of the (now deleted) posts are starting to become personal attacks against other users, so I will lock this up to stop things from going any further then they already have.