Please add a game tag "Male protagonist"

[H1ght3chHippie]

I am happy to see a lot of games coming out with the tag "Female protagonist". That's a good thing, and I fully support it. Please add the same tag for "Male protagonist" as well, otherwise it leaves a taste of overzealous bigotry in my mouth. Thank you.

[Kelthorian]

Imagine judging me off a name původně napsal:

i mean. you can make the tags yourself. as how they are deemed in teh first place

And then valve deletes them if they don't like it. Not a particuraly good system IMO. Users having a illusionary level of freedom that can be bend to w/e valve or the publishers want is kinda pointless.

Imagine judging me off a name původně napsal:

yet someone who mistakes the word bigot when they mean prejudice

Merriam-webster

"Definition of bigot
: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices"

Queue the long read of people dismissing the idea off-hand without even allowing for a discussion to start because "male is the default already", "there is no point", "you are wasting your time" etc etc. Seems to fit the definition quite nicely.


Also I'm Eastern European so English is not my native tongue but thanks for judging me on that.

[ReBoot]

Kelthorian původně napsal:

Imagine judging me off a name původně napsal:

i mean. you can make the tags yourself. as how they are deemed in teh first place

And then valve deletes them if they don't like it.

What about you run an actual experiment and prove that statement? So far, your point boils down to "I'm right cuz me sez so". So start an experiment, document it, present it. That's way more valueable than conspiracy theories.

[cinedine]

ReBoot původně napsal:

Kelthorian původně napsal:

And then valve deletes them if they don't like it.

What about you run an actual experiment and prove that statement? So far, your point boils down to "I'm right cuz me sez so". So start an experiment, document it, present it. That's way more valueable than conspiracy theories.

There have been a couple of tags Vavle removed, like "mobile port". They also removed "walking simulator" from a couple of games.

Also the remains of a removed tag:
https://store.steampowered.com/tags/en/Nanomachines%2C+son

Also Procedural death labyrinth got ruled into "roguelike" at some point (which has far more connotations than that).

[ReBoot]

cinedine původně napsal:

ReBoot původně napsal:

What about you run an actual experiment and prove that statement? So far, your point boils down to "I'm right cuz me sez so". So start an experiment, document it, present it. That's way more valueable than conspiracy theories.

There have been a couple of tags Vavle removed, like "mobile port". They also removed "walking simulator" from a couple of games.

Also the remains of a removed tag:
https://store.steampowered.com/tags/en/Nanomachines%2C+son

Also Procedural death labyrinth got ruled into "roguelike" at some point (which has far more connotations than that).

So "male protagonist" isn't among them. The ring's still open!

[Amygdala]

Kelthorian původně napsal:

Also I'm Eastern European

Gothic in your profile, we can tell

[Black Blade]

ReBoot původně napsal:

So "male protagonist" isn't among them. The ring's still open!

To be honest, I think this did rise a few times, so I think it's possible it was removed

Honestly, I cant see where is the issue to have that overall if someone wants it, I mean you can say that today there are more male then female, or that even almost all are like that, but we have time, and this may change at any point as much as we know, they may start to get the same amount or change, so having a tag like that as long as its not harmful I don't think there is any real issue with it, but I guess we may need to just pick a game and start tagging it and see if it shows up or seem to not show

Edit

I am tagging Duke Nukem game, no real reason, just a game that fits the tag, and I think most can recognize the name, if it gets it, then its not blocked and users just need to tag it if they want it

[cinedine]

I think what we really need is a "white brown/black haired stopple bearded dude protagonist" tag:

https://imgix.bustle.com/mic/cd18a9bbb9ff0c19b6caf458d93e1f0969c45e922af04c165c5b58a338a33e83.jpg
https://static0.gamerantimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Video-Game-Protagonists-Brown-Haired-White-Guys.jpg

Bonus points if someone can name all the games just by their protagonist's picture.

[Black Blade]

cinedine původně napsal:

I think what we really need is a "white brown/black haired stopple bearded dude protagonist" tag:

https://imgix.bustle.com/mic/cd18a9bbb9ff0c19b6caf458d93e1f0969c45e922af04c165c5b58a338a33e83.jpg
https://static0.gamerantimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Video-Game-Protagonists-Brown-Haired-White-Guys.jpg

Bonus points if someone can name all the games just by their protagonist's picture.

First photo:
Assasin creed, no idea, no idea, no idea, no idea, no idea, name one and name 2.. cant remember name of game, Mafia?, assassin creed, something with a female as well can be played two players cant recall the name, duke nukem, no idea, no idea, no idea, no idea, LA noir, no idea, no idea, Darkness, no idea, on idea, Deus Ex, hitman, no idea, no idea, no idea, no idea, no idea, god of war (and now I get its also none PC games.. so may have known some before but not rolling back), no idea, no idea, the lara croft male version game, prince of pirsa?, no idea, prototype, no idea, spec ops: the line?, no idea, no idea, no idea, no idea, The Witcher, assassin creed, the walking dead

Second photo:
No idea (like last time), no idea, no idea, no idea, the one he shots shawwn?, Bioshock, watch dogs, drake something?, no idea, spec ops?, no idea, no idea, I cant recall its name, no idea, no idea, no idea, battlefield?, the last of us?, no idea, no idea, the one with the motorcycles that got really bad reviews?, GTA, no idea, no idea, no idea, no idea, no idea, no idea, no idea, no idea, murder soul suspect, no idea, no idea, MGS, Mass effect

Well I clearly still have a long way to go in memorizing names of games, and still got a lot of games I still need to play
Fun game.. even that I am not sure its so much on topic

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

If you wanna add a Male Protagonist tag, please, feel free to add it yourself. Once enough people have added a tag, it'll show up.

Also, while you're at it, also add Protagonist Gender Choice.

Both would be very useful, in my opinion.

[cinedine]

Black Blade původně napsal:

Fun game.. even that I am not sure its so much on topic

It's to demonstrate that there are sooo many games with a generic male protagonist that you can pretty much

Amygdala původně napsal:

[c]lick any game and you'll 99% get a male protagonist

Female Protagonists are still an oddity and having a tag for that makes it easier to find one if you are looking for one. Or exclude the tag if you are so beta that the idea of a strong (still sex-upped) female lead frightens you.
You don't always need a counterpart. And we sure don't need more redundant tags like "indie" or "casual" that apply to 95+ % of games and ♥♥♥♥ up the recommendation algorithm.

[AustrAlien2010]

I´m not going to work on that. May just as well start tagging games that have open-ended-, or closed-ended storylines. Or whether or not the protagonist is bare-footed.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

AustrAlien2010 původně napsal:

I´m not going to work on that. May just as well start tagging games that have open-ended or closed ended-storylines. Or whether or not the protagonist is bare-footed.

¿Por qué no?

[AustrAlien2010]

Because I can´t decide where to draw the line, as to which tag is important, and which tag is not important.

But you are right, of course, by suggesting for taggers to do this. But the only reason to do this, is because others are adding the female protagonist tag, opposed to the male protagonist tag, when appliable. They cause this problem by being inconsistent in their approach. Or maybe not. But I suspect them to be inconsistent. But yes. You´re absolutely right. It should be done, for the sake of consistency. But how is the gender of the protagonist of any importance, opposed to... I don´t know? Something else.

These are very complex decisions. I can´t just do things without thinking them over first, for a very long time. The taggers have all the power, I can´t do anything about that. It´s not my fight.
As long is the tag system is in place, everyone will have to deal with this zealotry. There is no escape from it. A counter-reaction even makes it more biased towards gender.

It is what it is.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

I honestly don't see "zealotry"; it's simply a factual statement. A game either has or doesn't have a female protagonist. Well, except for the case where you get to choose the protagonist's gender I guess. But that's why I suggested a third tag for those.

I'm sure someone out there is tagging their own pet interest, so I don't think other people should feel bad about doing the same.

[AustrAlien2010]

That´s true. And there nothing wrong by adding a tag about the gender of the protagonist, because that apparently matters. Just keep reminding them to be consistent, if someone decides to do it. If they are not consistent, it could be (not by choice) in pursuit of an ideal. Hence, the remark about zealotry. Which of course is an assumption at best, but not an assumption unreal to imagine.