About pricing

[Kälävätys]

So I just came across Borderlands Handsome collection bundle - offer during this summer sale, and it got me wondering.. Steam is selling these two games (borderlands 2 and the Pre-Sequel + their dlc's) separatelly instead in a package like every other platform (it's literally called "The Handsome Collection", which means it has everything from the two games with updated graphics), and they are now telling it's in a shocking 94% sale since the original retail price is a whopping 235,48€. Now I know Valve has become a great moneygrabber over the years, thanks to the monopoly, but selling a collection of games as a bundle and giving it a price tag of over 235 euros when the "real" price for the collection is like 50€ just blows my mind. I seriously hope nobody is stupid enough to buy the bundle off-sale..

[Spawn of Totoro]

Originalmente postado por Nobokinttu:

There's no discount though. That's the complete cost of the "game". Humblebundle has it too for 60€. But like I said, it's a different package of the same products.

On Epic, it is discounted, but just not broken down as such.

Buy individually for X amount of in a bundle for less. They show it as a "game" but it is still a packaged bundle, same as with Humble Bundle.

The difference is how it is presented with Steam being transparent about what is in the bundle.

Also, as I said, Steam's bundle is dynamic, so if you already own a part of it, the cost of the items you already own will reduce it even more. This is something that neither Epic, nor Humble Bundle, do either.

[Crazy Tiger]

Originalmente postado por Nobokinttu:

Originalmente postado por Crazy Tiger:

To be fair, the Epic store doesn't show that discount.

Which is what makes the thing confusing for the OP and is actually misleading by Epic.

There's no discount though. That's the complete cost of the "game". Humblebundle has it too for 60€. But like I said, it's a different package of the same products.

It does and it doesn't. The bundle is sold everywhere at a reduced price, so in that you are correct that this is the base price of the bundle. HOWEVER, the bundle encompasses lots of items that also have an individual price. With regards to that individual price, the 235 euros, there is a bundle discount.

On Steam, every bundle shows the tallied price of the individual items and then you get a discount on the bundle giving the "base" price of the bundle. On Epic and Humble it DOESN'T show the tallied price of the indivisual items, but it does give the "base" price of the bundle.

Same principle, only displayed differently.

[Kälävätys]

Originalmente postado por Spawn of Totoro:

Originalmente postado por Nobokinttu:

There's no discount though. That's the complete cost of the "game". Humblebundle has it too for 60€. But like I said, it's a different package of the same products.

It is discounted, but just not broken down as such.

Buy individually for X amount of in a bundle for less. They show it as a "game" but it is still a packaged bundle, same as with Humble Bundle.

The difference is how it is presented with Steam being transparent about what is in the bundle.

Also, as I said, Steam's bundle is dynamic, so if you already own a part of it, the cost of the items you already own will reduce it even more. This is something that neither Epic, nor Humble Bundle, do either.

Really? For consoles they released it and marketed it with updated graphics and all, so I thought it's the same for pc, thus the much lowered price point than what you'd get by purchasing the two games plus their dlc separately. It never costed more than 60€ for consoles either, and it has never been marked as 235€ anywhere, except here on Steam. It's an interesting thing to know, if it's the same for the consoles as well.

[Kälävätys]

Originalmente postado por Crazy Tiger:

Originalmente postado por Nobokinttu:

There's no discount though. That's the complete cost of the "game". Humblebundle has it too for 60€. But like I said, it's a different package of the same products.

It does and it doesn't. The bundle is sold everywhere at a reduced price, so in that you are correct that this is the base price of the bundle. HOWEVER, the bundle encompasses lots of items that also have an individual price. With regards to that individual price, the 235 euros, there is a bundle discount.

On Steam, every bundle shows the tallied price of the individual items and then you get a discount on the bundle giving the "base" price of the bundle. On Epic and Humble it DOESN'T show the tallied price of the indivisual items, but it does give the "base" price of the bundle.

Same principle, only displayed differently.

The things you learn! How would you even know stuff like this is beyond me. But then again I have only newly acquired a place in the PC master race from the console peasantry, so many things might be unknown to me what are publicly known by others before. I'm only half joking.

[Spawn of Totoro]

Originalmente postado por Nobokinttu:

Really? For consoles they released it and marketed it with updated graphics and all, so I thought it's the same for pc, thus the much lowered price point than what you'd get by purchasing the two games plus their dlc separately. It never costed more than 60€ for consoles either, and it has never been marked as 235€ anywhere, except here on Steam. It's an interesting thing to know, if it's the same for the consoles as well.

Consoles got a bit of updated graphics, bringing it in line with PC. The PC version already had them.

You are still not understanding though.

The 235€ is only if each part was purchased individually and with no discounts.

The one on Epic is still the same pack of games:
BORDERLANDS: THE HANDSOME COLLECTION includes:

• 2 critically acclaimed BORDERLANDS games in one package
  
• All bonus add-on content, adding hundreds of hours of gameplay at an incredible value

That is all included in the pack on Steam.

They are the same pack. Steam just breaks down what is in it and offers more information about the pack.

Steam has never had the Handsom Collection for sale at 235€.

You can even see it's history on Steam with prices.
https://steamdb.info/bundle/8133/

[Kälävätys]

Originalmente postado por Spawn of Totoro:

Originalmente postado por Nobokinttu:

Really? For consoles they released it and marketed it with updated graphics and all, so I thought it's the same for pc, thus the much lowered price point than what you'd get by purchasing the two games plus their dlc separately. It never costed more than 60€ for consoles either, and it has never been marked as 235€ anywhere, except here on Steam. It's an interesting thing to know, if it's the same for the consoles as well.

Consoles got a bit of updated graphics, bringing it in line with PC. The PC version already had them.

You are still not understanding though.

The 235€ is only if each part was purchased individually and with no discounts.

The one on Epic is still the same pack of games:
BORDERLANDS: THE HANDSOME COLLECTION includes:

• 2 critically acclaimed BORDERLANDS games in one package
  
• All bonus add-on content, adding hundreds of hours of gameplay at an incredible value

That is all included in the pack on Steam.

They are the same pack. Steam just breaks down what is in it and offers more information about the pack.

Steam has never had the Handsom Collection for sale at 235€.

You can even see it's history on Steam with prices.
https://steamdb.info/bundle/8133/

Yes I did understand it thanks. I thought they had to update the graphics on the pc as well. People complain so much about console games dragging the graphics of pc games down too, so I thought that's the case in this. But it's a completely separate thing then.

[Crazy Tiger]

Originalmente postado por Nobokinttu:

Originalmente postado por Crazy Tiger:

It does and it doesn't. The bundle is sold everywhere at a reduced price, so in that you are correct that this is the base price of the bundle. HOWEVER, the bundle encompasses lots of items that also have an individual price. With regards to that individual price, the 235 euros, there is a bundle discount.

On Steam, every bundle shows the tallied price of the individual items and then you get a discount on the bundle giving the "base" price of the bundle. On Epic and Humble it DOESN'T show the tallied price of the indivisual items, but it does give the "base" price of the bundle.

Same principle, only displayed differently.

The things you learn! How would you even know stuff like this is beyond me. But then again I have only newly acquired a place in the PC master race from the console peasantry, so many things might be unknown to me what are publicly known by others before. I'm only half joking.

There are no such things as PC Master race or Console peasantry. There is only gamers with different preferences. ;)

[Kälävätys]

Originalmente postado por Crazy Tiger:

Originalmente postado por Nobokinttu:

The things you learn! How would you even know stuff like this is beyond me. But then again I have only newly acquired a place in the PC master race from the console peasantry, so many things might be unknown to me what are publicly known by others before. I'm only half joking.

There are no such things as PC Master race or Console peasantry. There is only gamers with different preferences. ;)

Amen.

[crunchyfrog]

Originalmente postado por Nobokinttu:

Originalmente postado por Crazy Tiger:

It does and it doesn't. The bundle is sold everywhere at a reduced price, so in that you are correct that this is the base price of the bundle. HOWEVER, the bundle encompasses lots of items that also have an individual price. With regards to that individual price, the 235 euros, there is a bundle discount.

On Steam, every bundle shows the tallied price of the individual items and then you get a discount on the bundle giving the "base" price of the bundle. On Epic and Humble it DOESN'T show the tallied price of the indivisual items, but it does give the "base" price of the bundle.

Same principle, only displayed differently.

The things you learn! How would you even know stuff like this is beyond me. But then again I have only newly acquired a place in the PC master race from the console peasantry, so many things might be unknown to me what are publicly known by others before. I'm only half joking.

At least you're being open and honest. That is VERY welcome on here.

Just to offer a bit more guidance, that might help you in future....

I'm a cheaparse, mostly because I'm retired and disabled. I only have disability benefits as my income. And as such I use the one resource I have plenty of - TIME, to mitigate the cost of gaming.

How do I do this? Simple. A couple of really salient points.

First off, I game on as many platforms as I can. I hear you cry "but surely that costs MORE?" Well, here's the thing, no in the long run. For example, I was looking at buying a Switch a few months ago, and realised that an awful lot of the games I wanted were ports from the WiiU. So I bought a WiiU for £80 and IMMEDIATELY saved shedloads of money because every game I got was FAR cheaper on the WiiU than on Switch.

Likewise when I play PS4, or Xbox One - I see a game on sale on one platform, I compare it to another. Go for the cheapest. It commonly happens that games are on sale on both platforms at about the same time, and usually PSN has them the cheaper.

Furthermore, one thing consoles always beats for is that you have a used market too. In Britain we have the wonderful CEX stores that sell all sorts of things. For example, those WiiU games I spoke of? Many of those were between £1.50 and £5.

So, in summary by using the WHOLE field you can save money in the long run. It really depends on how many games you buy. Which brings me onto my second tip.

NEVER buying games anywhere near release. Why? Because you don't have to.

Most people I've seen will hanker after the latest releases and there's a great deal of impatience there, or misguided thinking they must have the latest game. Here's the thing. With my monthly disabled benefits, I get roughly the same amount I choose to spend on games every month. Now I could buy just a couple of newly released games at their proper full release price, or I could go online, check out sites like Amazon, Ebay, CEX, or a whole host if independent game store and find OLDER games I want that were released in the last year or so. For the same money I can usually buy at least 10 games, usually far more.

And the beauty of this is simple - not only do you get more for your money, but you never have to worry about new releases again, because you have so many games to play, new releases become irrelevant. You see?

So I hope you find this all of use. It's served me well for decades, and seeing as you're so keen to be open and honest I felt you deserved this :)