About pricing

[Kälävätys]

So I just came across Borderlands Handsome collection bundle - offer during this summer sale, and it got me wondering.. Steam is selling these two games (borderlands 2 and the Pre-Sequel + their dlc's) separatelly instead in a package like every other platform (it's literally called "The Handsome Collection", which means it has everything from the two games with updated graphics), and they are now telling it's in a shocking 94% sale since the original retail price is a whopping 235,48€. Now I know Valve has become a great moneygrabber over the years, thanks to the monopoly, but selling a collection of games as a bundle and giving it a price tag of over 235 euros when the "real" price for the collection is like 50€ just blows my mind. I seriously hope nobody is stupid enough to buy the bundle off-sale..

[Crazy Tiger]

Nah, it seems OP is using the price that the bundle has on Epic as a starting point. He doesn't understand that the price as shown on Epic is the bundle price AFTER discounts. Epic doesn't list the FULL price of 235 euros.

The handsome collection usually has a discount on Steam too, which amounts to the same price as on Epic.

[crunchyfrog]

Цитата допису Crazy Tiger:

Nah, it seems OP is using the price that the bundle has on Epic as a starting point. He doesn't understand that the price as shown on Epic is the bundle price AFTER discounts. Epic doesn't list the FULL price of 235 euros.

The handsome collection usually has a discount on Steam too, which amounts to the same price as on Epic.

Oh dear God.

How do people like this get on in the actual real world? Whenever I see posts from people who don't understand how basic purchasing and shops work, I always wonder "how the hell do you buy your food?"

It boggles my mind.

[Spawn of Totoro]

Цитата допису Crazy Tiger:

Nah, it seems OP is using the price that the bundle has on Epic as a starting point. He doesn't understand that the price as shown on Epic is the bundle price AFTER discounts. Epic doesn't list the FULL price of 235 euros.

The handsome collection usually has a discount on Steam too, which amounts to the same price as on Epic.

This is a good example of how transparency can confuse people. Not everyone can understand all the extra information provided.

And people say they want transparency, but issues like this are what turn companies away from it.

[Kälävätys]

Цитата допису crunchyfrog:

Цитата допису the.jester:

It's not, just that OP doesn't understand how bundles are calculated

I know he's not got that right.

I was just answering the question as fully as I could - It's just how I roll. I tend to provide answers not just for the OP, but for future readers too.

I do know how bundles work thank you, that was not the point. I'm not criticizing them selling the bundle, ofcourse if you slap twenty games/dlc into a bunch it will cost a lot of money to buy. I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand though.

https://www.epicgames.com/store/en-US/bundles/borderlands-the-handsome-collection
That's the "real" handsome collection. You could buy that anywhere except from Steam. I bought it to my ps4 last summer, and last month you could get it free from epic. But you see it includes all the same items as the so-called "Handsome Collection" that steam has. Except that it cost's 200€ less than the steam version. Because it's not an bundle, and I do understand it. What I don't understand is how they can sell something for so much if you could get it the same from elsewhere for a lot cheaper. But apparently there are no laws preventing it from happening, and it seems that many people don't also see anything wrong it in either. It's just really greedy in my books, but hey, if you want to spend 235€ for a bunch of games you could get for 60€, be my guest. Also yes I can see there's an sale right now, but the sale will end in two weeks and if the price goes back to 235€ it is a rip off. Sorry, but it just is.

[Crazy Tiger]

Цитата допису Nobokinttu:

Цитата допису crunchyfrog:

I know he's not got that right.

I was just answering the question as fully as I could - It's just how I roll. I tend to provide answers not just for the OP, but for future readers too.

I do know how bundles work thank you, that was not the point. I'm not criticizing them selling the bundle, ofcourse if you slap twenty games/dlc into a bunch it will cost a lot of money to buy. I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand though.

https://www.epicgames.com/store/en-US/bundles/borderlands-the-handsome-collection
That's the "real" handsome collection. You could buy that anywhere except from Steam. I bought it to my ps4 last summer, and last month you could get it free from epic. But you see it includes all the same items as the so-called "Handsome Collection" that steam has. Except that it cost's 200€ less than the steam version. Because it's not an bundle, and I do understand it. What I don't understand is how they can sell something for so much if you could get it the same from elsewhere for a lot cheaper. But apparently there are no laws preventing it from happening, and it seems that many people don't also see anything wrong it in either. It's just really greedy in my books, but hey, if you want to spend 235€ for a bunch of games you could get for 60€, be my guest. Also yes I can see there's an sale right now, but the sale will end in two weeks and if the price goes back to 235€ it is a rip off. Sorry, but it just is.

As I said, the Handsome collection on Steam usually has about the same price as now on Epic. The main difference is that Steam ALSO shows the full price before discount. The Handsome collection NEVER is actually sold for € 235 on Steam.

Цитата допису Spawn of Totoro:

Цитата допису Crazy Tiger:

Nah, it seems OP is using the price that the bundle has on Epic as a starting point. He doesn't understand that the price as shown on Epic is the bundle price AFTER discounts. Epic doesn't list the FULL price of 235 euros.

The handsome collection usually has a discount on Steam too, which amounts to the same price as on Epic.

This is a good example of how transparency can confuse people. Not everyone can understand all the extra information provided.

And people say they want transparency, but issues like this are what turn companies away from it.

Agreed.

[Spawn of Totoro]

Цитата допису Nobokinttu:

I do know how bundles work thank you, that was not the point. I'm not criticizing them selling the bundle, ofcourse if you slap twenty games/dlc into a bunch it will cost a lot of money to buy. I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand though.

https://www.epicgames.com/store/en-US/bundles/borderlands-the-handsome-collection
That's the "real" handsome collection. You could buy that anywhere except from Steam. I bought it to my ps4 last summer, and last month you could get it free from epic. But you see it includes all the same items as the so-called "Handsome Collection" that steam has. Except that it cost's 200€ less than the steam version. Because it's not an bundle, and I do understand it. What I don't understand is how they can sell something for so much if you could get it the same from elsewhere for a lot cheaper. But apparently there are no laws preventing it from happening, and it seems that many people don't also see anything wrong it in either. It's just really greedy in my books, but hey, if you want to spend 235€ for a bunch of games you could get for 60€, be my guest. Also yes I can see there's an sale right now, but the sale will end in two weeks and if the price goes back to 235€ it is a rip off. Sorry, but it just is.

Both are the real one and contain all the same things.

Steam just breaks it down for you. It is also the developer who creates such bundles.

And you keep missing the point. The 235€ is if you bought them all separately and not on sale. The bundle is discounted by 85% to about 35€.

Not only that, it is a dynamic bundle on Steam, so if you own parts of it already, then that cost is removed from the bundle, where as on Epic, you pay the full amount, regardless.

[tmwfte]

Цитата допису Nobokinttu:

...if the price goes back to 235€ it is a rip off. Sorry, but it just is.

You seem not to understand that the bundle is NEVER 235€, that's just the price of the individual pieces of it. The bundle is ALWAYS discounted.

[crunchyfrog]

Цитата допису Spawn of Totoro:

Цитата допису Crazy Tiger:

Nah, it seems OP is using the price that the bundle has on Epic as a starting point. He doesn't understand that the price as shown on Epic is the bundle price AFTER discounts. Epic doesn't list the FULL price of 235 euros.

The handsome collection usually has a discount on Steam too, which amounts to the same price as on Epic.

This is a good example of how transparency can confuse people. Not everyone can understand all the extra information provided.

And people say they want transparency, but issues like this are what turn companies away from it.

Good point, especially as certain consumers seem to LOVE to complain about anything in order to try and get some leverage.

[crunchyfrog]

Цитата допису Nobokinttu:

Цитата допису crunchyfrog:

I know he's not got that right.

I was just answering the question as fully as I could - It's just how I roll. I tend to provide answers not just for the OP, but for future readers too.

I do know how bundles work thank you, that was not the point. I'm not criticizing them selling the bundle, ofcourse if you slap twenty games/dlc into a bunch it will cost a lot of money to buy. I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand though.

https://www.epicgames.com/store/en-US/bundles/borderlands-the-handsome-collection
That's the "real" handsome collection. You could buy that anywhere except from Steam. I bought it to my ps4 last summer, and last month you could get it free from epic. But you see it includes all the same items as the so-called "Handsome Collection" that steam has. Except that it cost's 200€ less than the steam version. Because it's not an bundle, and I do understand it. What I don't understand is how they can sell something for so much if you could get it the same from elsewhere for a lot cheaper. But apparently there are no laws preventing it from happening, and it seems that many people don't also see anything wrong it in either. It's just really greedy in my books, but hey, if you want to spend 235€ for a bunch of games you could get for 60€, be my guest. Also yes I can see there's an sale right now, but the sale will end in two weeks and if the price goes back to 235€ it is a rip off. Sorry, but it just is.

Well, you clearly don't understand it at all, because you can't compare different stores prices and arbitrarily say "this one is the real price" or something like that.

So frankly you DON'T understand how it works at all.

And yes, I bought Borderlands on PS3, got 1 and 2 free on 360, then got the Handsome Collection on PS4. The prices even before sale are wildly different in a lot of cases.

The problem you seem to be having is not just not understanding how licensing and so on works, or stores, but how budgeting and business works. If a developer/publisher spends more to create the game for a certain platform, they will often have a slightly increased price for that platform. Each version often has a different ledger for that version in their books. So as such, you will also see wildly differeing rates for sales too.

It's quite common for a game to be on one store (like say the Nintendo store) not ever get any discount, because it might not have hit their goals there, yet be repeatedly discounted on another store, like PSN.

And no, the bundle is NEVER 235. That's not what it displays. It displays that price as the TOTAL PRICE OF ALL THOSE ITEMS. That's pricing LAW and MUST be shown.

Again, something you don't understand - both in the US and here in Europe ALL discounts must list both the original price, the discount and the rate of discount.

[Crazy Tiger]

Цитата допису crunchyfrog:

Again, something you don't understand - both in the US and here in Europe ALL discounts must list both the original price, the discount and the rate of discount.

To be fair, the Epic store doesn't show that discount.

Which is what makes the thing confusing for the OP and is actually misleading by Epic.

[crunchyfrog]

Цитата допису Crazy Tiger:

Цитата допису crunchyfrog:

Again, something you don't understand - both in the US and here in Europe ALL discounts must list both the original price, the discount and the rate of discount.

To be fair, the Epic store doesn't show that discount.

Which is what makes the thing confusing for the OP and is actually misleading by Epic.

Well, in that case, Epic need a kick up the arse, but I'd probably have to join a long line.

I can understand that part of it then, but he really shouldn't comparing the two that way in the first place.

[Kälävätys]

Цитата допису crunchyfrog:

Цитата допису Nobokinttu:

And no, the bundle is NEVER 235. That's not what it displays. It displays that price as the TOTAL PRICE OF ALL THOSE ITEMS. That's pricing LAW and MUST be shown.

Now I get it. I read it all but that was the main thing that bugged me off. I can happily admit that I was being an *politically correctly* idiot. I still think it's misconducting, but that's probably just me, or atleast that's not Valve's fault. Alright, thanks for breaking it down for me. All of you. So Gaben's not a greedy old man after all, huh? Well I'm not so sure about that but this whole post just lost it's meaning.

[crunchyfrog]

Цитата допису Nobokinttu:

Цитата допису crunchyfrog:

Now I get it. I read it all but that was the main thing that bugged me off. I can happily admit that I was being an *politically correctly* idiot. I still think it's misconducting, but that's probably just me, or atleast that's not Valve's fault. Alright, thanks for breaking it down for me. All of you. So Gaben's not a greedy old man after all, huh? Well I'm not so sure about that but this whole post just lost it's meaning.

No worries, as long as we got there in the end.

You did the right thing by asking here anyway.

[Kälävätys]

Цитата допису Crazy Tiger:

Цитата допису crunchyfrog:

Again, something you don't understand - both in the US and here in Europe ALL discounts must list both the original price, the discount and the rate of discount.

To be fair, the Epic store doesn't show that discount.

Which is what makes the thing confusing for the OP and is actually misleading by Epic.

There's no discount though. That's the complete cost of the "game". Humblebundle has it too for 60€. But like I said, it's a different package of the same products.

[crunchyfrog]

Цитата допису Nobokinttu:

Цитата допису Crazy Tiger:

To be fair, the Epic store doesn't show that discount.

Which is what makes the thing confusing for the OP and is actually misleading by Epic.

There's no discount though. That's the complete cost of the "game". Humblebundle has it too for 60€. But like I said, it's a different package of the same products.

Yeah, but to be fair here, Epic should still have it disaplyed because as I said it's consumer law.

They absolutely must include the full price, the discounted price and the discount itself. That's pretty iron cast in law (although I'm more speaking from the law of England and Wales, as I specialised in disability and consumer law - but I'm aware US law has this bit somewhat similar).