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S!cko Jun 13, 2020 @ 9:32am
Personal information before buying stuff
Hi there!

Just wanted to buy something from the community market and I realized I now have to type in my whole ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ personal stuff - real name, adress etc, what the ♥♥♥♥ is going on? Is this even legal?? I doubt it is...

What is the reason for that? And can we do something about it? Tthis is violating the data privacy.

It was never neccessary why would it be NOW? Also, why is it needed in the community market? It just doesn't make sense to me, we are not ordering actual physical stuff which has to be SHIPPED to us.
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Aachen Jun 13, 2020 @ 9:37am 
“If there wasn’t a law before, why would there be one now?”

edit: tip-of-hat to cSg|mc-Hotsauce; was having a time tracking down any of the relevant preëxisting threads.
Last edited by Aachen; Jun 13, 2020 @ 9:42am
cSg|mc-Hotsauce Jun 13, 2020 @ 9:38am 
I'll just link you to the previous thread I posted in...

Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:
Since January for the store... https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=6112-TDHB-4392

The Market now requires it too, since the beginning of May.

The info is only for you and Valve to know.

FYI... I had to personally ask a Valve employee on his social media account to request the KB article for billing info back in Jan because they "forgot" to make one. I did ask again about updating it for the Market a couple weeks ago. Still no response.

Sales tax is only for the Steam store, as of now.

It is safely stored where only you and Valve can see it as a part of your account data.

It is permanent as of when it started.

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https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/1/2451595019856043695/#c2451595019856056570

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S!cko Jun 13, 2020 @ 9:45am 
Thanks for the thread!
cSg|mc-Hotsauce Jun 13, 2020 @ 9:47am 
Originally posted by Aachen:
edit: tip-of-hat to cSg|mc-Hotsauce; was having a time tracking down any of the relevant preëxisting threads.

Community Market forum has a few and I just search for the month January in my post history.

Originally posted by S!cko:
Thanks for the thread!

Anytime!

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Satoru Jun 13, 2020 @ 9:53am 
Note that laws change and thus can necessitate changes

The US court made it legal to enforce arbitration, which made every single company do that literally overnight

The US courts ruled that online only stores needed to collect sales tax. Many states passed laws to enforce tax collection on companies

The Eu passed the GDPR, necessitating companies do a metric ton of work to make their sites compliant on the point where Paradox has to at one point gate keep some of their previous game versions behind a Paradox account to ensure users “affirmed” the GDPR whoch wasn’t visible in their older launchers
S!cko Jun 13, 2020 @ 10:06am 
Okay so from what I've got so far, the reason why we need to tell our personal information is the tax policy?

I mean it makes sense, but Steam never threw out a post for that, which is imo a little suspicious. But yeah, laws can change that's true... But still doesn't make any sense for the community market, especially if I buy with Steam Wallet money.

Taxes suck, man. I'm from germany and we have literally taxes for EVERYTHING. Wouldn't surprise me if it got to the game launchers too now..

It's still nowhere noted how Steam uses this data, if it's safe or not - and this is what makes me uncomfortable. Of course I give my p.i. also to other companies when I buy online, but I only buy from those where I know my data is kinda safe (which is, if we take it straight - never the case, haha)

Thanks for the answers guys. I guess we just have to deal with this from now on, even if I wish it won't be for long and the data security takes advantage over it.
Zenitsu. Jun 13, 2020 @ 10:39am 
right
crunchyfrog Jun 13, 2020 @ 11:55am 
Originally posted by S!cko:
Okay so from what I've got so far, the reason why we need to tell our personal information is the tax policy?

I mean it makes sense, but Steam never threw out a post for that, which is imo a little suspicious. But yeah, laws can change that's true... But still doesn't make any sense for the community market, especially if I buy with Steam Wallet money.

Taxes suck, man. I'm from germany and we have literally taxes for EVERYTHING. Wouldn't surprise me if it got to the game launchers too now..

It's still nowhere noted how Steam uses this data, if it's safe or not - and this is what makes me uncomfortable. Of course I give my p.i. also to other companies when I buy online, but I only buy from those where I know my data is kinda safe (which is, if we take it straight - never the case, haha)

Thanks for the answers guys. I guess we just have to deal with this from now on, even if I wish it won't be for long and the data security takes advantage over it.

It DOES make sense for the community market though.

If any money is changing hands or trades are taking place, it doesn't matter - the law requires it.

Charities don't make profit, but they are still required to post taxation reports in many countries, even if their tax remains nil.
krstek. Jun 13, 2020 @ 1:06pm 
Originally posted by S!cko:
Thanks for the thread!
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WolfEisberg Jun 13, 2020 @ 1:37pm 
Zipcode/postal code is enough for tax purposes. Why Valve asks for full name an address, I do not know.
crunchyfrog Jun 13, 2020 @ 3:16pm 
Originally posted by Eisberg:
Zipcode/postal code is enough for tax purposes. Why Valve asks for full name an address, I do not know.

Cross referencing?

And besides, it's not giving them any additional info. You provide your full name and address evcery time you make a payment.
-$ilver- Jun 13, 2020 @ 5:25pm 
The tax being collected is not the issue. It is the simple fact that they now demand all your personal information which is BS. You should NOT have to give your info. You are not using a credit card where they have to confirm banking info, funds or proof who is using the card.

The gift card has no value until I had it activated at the cash register, hence the taxes should of been taken right then and there. Using a gift card they only need the Country, the State and maybe the County or City/zipcode to check the tax amount. In no shape or form do they need to know your exact address. And as others have said before the other main thread was shut down, Steam knows where you are downloading from. There are already checks and balances in place.

However if you do not feel safe giving out your personal info and really everyone should be weary of it and not do it willy-nilly, use a legit post office box address or download from the library and use that address. If I were to buy a game in cash, a store does not demand my address, either by me willingly giving it or by their system checking a credit card. I simply give them the cash and they tax me on the spot.
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Aachen Jun 13, 2020 @ 5:31pm 
Originally posted by -$ilver-:
.... The gift card has no value until I had it activated at the cash register, hence the taxes should of been taken right then and there ....

They’re not taxed at point-of-sale.

.... And as others have said before the other main thread was shut down, Steam knows where you are downloading from. There are already checks and balances in place ....

IP addresses don’t localize so precisely.

..... If I were to buy a game in cash, a store does not demand my address, either by me willingly giving it or by their system checking a credit card. I simply give them the cash and they tax me on the spot.

Shocking, I know, but physical and digital purchases are not necessarily analogous.
Last edited by Aachen; Jun 13, 2020 @ 5:31pm
cinedine Jun 13, 2020 @ 5:31pm 
Originally posted by crunchyfrog:
And besides, it's not giving them any additional info. You provide your full name and address evcery time you make a payment.

No you don't unless you use a credit card. If you use a third party service Steam will not get any of your information. Which is kind of the point of using them. If you use wallet funds you used to not have to give any information either.
-$ilver- Jun 13, 2020 @ 5:34pm 
Originally posted by S!cko:
Okay so from what I've got so far, the reason why we need to tell our personal information is the tax policy?

I mean it makes sense, but Steam never threw out a post for that, which is imo a little suspicious. But yeah, laws can change that's true... But still doesn't make any sense for the community market, especially if I buy with Steam Wallet money.

Taxes suck, man. I'm from germany and we have literally taxes for EVERYTHING. Wouldn't surprise me if it got to the game launchers too now..

It's still nowhere noted how Steam uses this data, if it's safe or not - and this is what makes me uncomfortable. Of course I give my p.i. also to other companies when I buy online, but I only buy from those where I know my data is kinda safe (which is, if we take it straight - never the case, haha)

Thanks for the answers guys. I guess we just have to deal with this from now on, even if I wish it won't be for long and the data security takes advantage over it.


It's not as simple as dealing with it. I still have $17 and a gift card or two I have not even uploaded yet with funds on them. If I decide not to go through with it, I'm screwed on at least $60. You can not get a refund at stores for the cards not being used and Steam will not allow a refund on what you already have. Even if they did they would still need a way to refund you which is where the address would come in. Haha!

If we say and do nothing then Steam will carry on. If we say we are not going to put up with it and don't, they lose money. But there are probably a lot more people who could care less and do just what ever so in the end nothing will change. But if you truly are fearful of having your info on the net, put a legit PO Box number address or the address from the library and download from there. PO Box is where you get mail from and the Library is where you are actually downloading from. You would be lying if had no internet or downloaded from the library instead of home, but still had your home address as a billing address. If you went to another state to buy something, you would be charged those taxes, not your state's.

And to be honest I trust Steam with the data, it is my internet connection or lack there of that I do not trust.
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