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Swiss Army Wolf 2020 年 2 月 9 日 下午 1:37
Valve please dont cave into chinese censorship laws
Dear valve.

Steam is one of the last bastions of user friendly launchers compared to epic games and blizzard. Both of the latter caves to chinese censorship and will continue to cave into it despite fan protest.

Steam last longer because it spat on censorship.

Caving to chinese censorship and making the rest of the world follow suit on its censorship will make the rest of us suffer. They will likely demand our favorite idiot servant of the battle field, "soldier" to be removed from tf2. As well as games like Sleeping Dog.

I love steam and i dont want to see it fall prey to censorship. Please valve, dont cave into censorship
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Paratech2008 2020 年 2 月 9 日 下午 1:39 
Valve censors stuff and it has nothing to do with China. This is on a private server and there always have been rules regarding what may be posted.

Cheezus Crisp 2020 年 2 月 9 日 下午 1:41 
Elaborate on epic and blizzard caving into chinese censorship. The steam store already has it's own form of censorship but it only applies regionally such as wolfenstein being modified for Germany.
Start_Running 2020 年 2 月 9 日 下午 1:46 
Yeah What china censors won't affect anyone outside of china.
Falsus Te Deum 2020 年 2 月 9 日 下午 1:49 
OP citation, links and so forth please.
Steam is to realese a China friendly steam application and store. Take a guess how much censorship it will contain.
Swiss Army Wolf 2020 年 2 月 9 日 下午 1:52 
引用自 Falsus Te Deum
OP citation, links and so forth please.
Steam is to realese a China friendly steam application and store. Take a guess how much censorship it will contain.
https://youtu.be/AzJc9vgOcXM
Falsus Te Deum 2020 年 2 月 9 日 下午 1:56 
A youtuber riigghhttt, they are soooo trustworthy. And what part of a China friendly Steam application do you not understand. Censorship in that is mandotary to sell in China.

And is it not the second clip from this youtuber about censorship today, was not the other about the reviewbombing.
Yeah thought so. That was also full of false information and not about facts either.
最后由 Falsus Te Deum 编辑于; 2020 年 2 月 9 日 下午 1:58
wuddih 2020 年 2 月 9 日 下午 2:10 
among the blind, the one-eyed is king.

and that guy is still 90% blind on that one eye.

i assume this is just advertising now at this point and will be reported as such.
GuRu Asaki 2020 年 2 月 9 日 下午 2:15 
Wait, what?

Is this why China can play Games on STEAM now?
Because of censorship?

I also read that Sony going to America was changing
it's censorship Policy as well, & now Japan is getting censored, too...

I'm just glad Pen & Paper is still around, there is no censoring Pen & Paper, haha...

Sucks for those who can't draw, though...
最后由 GuRu Asaki 编辑于; 2020 年 2 月 9 日 下午 2:17
Start_Running 2020 年 2 月 9 日 下午 2:24 
Yeah Arch tends to get on in his rants. This is the same guy who said Steam Deletes review bombs. So he either has a tendency to chat avbout things he doesn't no shiote about or is deliberately being hyperbolic to misrepresent things in the name ofd sensationalism, clicks, and more ad revenue.

Now as for the topic. Yes Steam will bend the nee with its CHina storefront and client. Because the alternative is to be blocked in CHina. Saidcensorship well affect no one outside of CHina and developers will invariably have tyo decide among themselves as to whether they want to apply the chinese censorship to international customers in the name of time saving or if they are going to maintain a specifically localized version for china. The trend seems to be the latter.

When you do business ina country you obey that countries rules, laws, and regulations.
Malicious Mike 2020 年 2 月 9 日 下午 2:24 
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-08-21-valve-talks-steam-china-curation-exclusivity

Eurogamer full of false information too?

"In fact, Valve isn't sure itself. Eurogamer spoke to Valve's DJ Powers, who works in the company's business development team, at the event to try and get a better sense of what exactly is going on. As you'll read it's pretty clear even Valve can't explain - or maybe more accurately, can't say - what's going to happen to the international version of Steam out in China. Nor, for that matter, can the company say what'll happen to the accounts and property of tens of millions of Chinese players, who may or may not be able to access the international version of Steam once the official Chinese version goes live."

Do you think there are some lessons you can learn from that approach that you could maybe apply in a Western environment?

Powers: I don't know about lessons. I think it'll be interesting to see just how a market reacts to a more curated storefront. I mean we know a lot of that, I've been at Steam a long time and I remember when Steam was very curated for a number of reasons as well, that we worked really hard to kind of eliminate over the years some of those barriers, but, yeah I think we'll just be interested in how consumers react to it, and if we do learn something that tells us we should be more open to that kind of storefront, then we'll take that data and consider it, for sure.

And there's an expectation as well that companies will sort of "self-regulate" in a way. I think Tencent is an example where it implemented time limits for younger players off its own back, before government regulation came in. Will you consider self-regulating certain things as well?

Powers: There's just policies and laws in place that we have to follow, so yeah, we'll adhere to all of those.

So it's more a reactive sense of "whatever the local laws are that's what we'll do"?

Powers: Yeah.

So, its clear that they will try to "Curate" the international versions too if people dont speak up and make a fuss about this, we need to ensure that they know fully that we will not tolerate this kind of curation and want to have any of these policies move from a specific national version to international versions
Start_Running 2020 年 2 月 9 日 下午 2:28 
And what to you expect fussing to do?
The censorship and curation in china only affects people in china.
If another country decides they don't want their people accessing certaing types of games, the same will happen for that country. .

You expect Valve to break the law and be banned from the country, having all their IP's blocked?
GuRu Asaki 2020 年 2 月 9 日 下午 2:42 
The Problem with censorship, is that it's not handled right at all...


Here is the problem I am facing... I had done some digging, &
have noticed that some of my own games have actually stuff in
them that I actually had wanted blocked by the STEAM Store, but
while those games I am fine with being on my Profile, i'm not stuck
with an issue here... I want these type Games blocked, & don't
want them at all, but the type games I have I do want unblocked...

This puts me at a point where i'm torn between two different worlds,
that I can't win a case over, because other people are not caring, nor
seeing where I have an issue with it is...


There is also the issue where we don't even know how STEAM
is even making note which games belong to which TAGs...

How does steam know which games are RPG, Rated for kids,
rated for Adults, Sports, & such, & what games are considered
to have strong content in them vs which ones have light content in them?


I am both for & against censorship, that is all I have to say...
最后由 GuRu Asaki 编辑于; 2020 年 2 月 9 日 下午 2:45
Start_Running 2020 年 2 月 9 日 下午 2:49 
引用自 GuRu Asaki


There is also the issue where we don't even know how STEAM
is even making note which games belong to which TAGs...

How does steam know which games are RPG, Rated for kids,
rated for Adults, Sports, & such, & what games are considered
to have strong content in them vs which ones have light content in them?
Simple.
They rely/require the publisher/developer to apply the tags.
The publisher can add their PEGI, ESRB rating to the store page if they have one. They also determing the game as adult only, Sexual content, and Strong Content.

If a publisher/developer has been found to be misleading in these declarations, then the game and the publisher/developer are given the boot from steam
Zekiran 2020 年 2 月 9 日 下午 5:04 
引用自 Falsus Te Deum
OP citation, links and so forth please.
Steam is to realese a China friendly steam application and store. Take a guess how much censorship it will contain.


And unless you're in china using this software geared specifically for that country, you don't have to deal with it. None of your business if you don't.
T9 2020 年 2 月 9 日 下午 6:35 
propaganda is real
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