Why tf2 is pay to win ?

[Kitajec93]

In my opinion, there should be no pay to win games if you create free play, let it be free and not be better

And you think

[999999999]

It was a paid game to begin with. It went F2P and P2W it is not.

[Start_Running]

Tell me about it. I purchased my orange box the same year Valve decided to go F2P. And no it is not P2W. None of the items you have to pay for actually have any effect on gameplay. All items that have different performance are balanced against the stock items. FOr every advantage, there is a corresponding disadvantage. You also can either craft, or randomly find those items as free weekly drops.

[Snapjak]

Unless you think of winning as having the most hats, TF2 is definitely not P2W.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by Snapjak:

Unless you think of winning as having the most hats, TF2 is definitely not P2W.

Hats that make your head much, much easier for enemy snipers to pick off.

[Snapjak]

Sooo... pay to lose!

[Start_Running]

Plus you can craft just about every item in the game.

[Zefar]

Originally posted by Snapjak:

Unless you think of winning as having the most hats, TF2 is definitely not P2W.

There are a lot of weapons to buy and it can take quite a bit of time to either get them by doing the achievement or finding them normally.

Been plenty of times when new weapons have been nerfed due to being a bit too powerful.

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Plus you can craft just about every item in the game.

If people call Battlefront 2 pay to win because it had loot boxes, TF2 is pay to win as well.

[Eliasz Voyager]

They have to make money someway, right?

[cinedine]

Originally posted by Zefar:

If people call Battlefront 2 pay to win because it had loot boxes, TF2 is pay to win as well.

Battlefront 2 was P2W thanks to the upgrade system. You could level up characters with this loot and the upgrades were quite hefty for some. So if you invested a lot, you got more cards, you got more upgrades, you got more power.

The Clash Royal model. You see it incorporated into a LOT of F2P games, though.

[Zefar]

Originally posted by cinedine:

Originally posted by Zefar:

If people call Battlefront 2 pay to win because it had loot boxes, TF2 is pay to win as well.

Battlefront 2 was P2W thanks to the upgrade system. You could level up characters with this loot and the upgrades were quite hefty for some. So if you invested a lot, you got more cards, you got more upgrades, you got more power.

The Clash Royal model. You see it incorporated into a LOT of F2P games, though.

You could never buy them with cash. EA removed that ability before it was put in place. Also you can still get everything by playing normally, earning money and buy loot boxes. You know, same excuse you people use for TF2 but that has a store where you can buy the weapons.

The cards power are also highly overrated. You start with 3 abilities and they are good from the start.

[Wolfpig]

Originally posted by Hades00:

They have to make money someway, right?

Thats why they have a store in which developers can sell their games....

[Soggy]

"Why is tf2 pay to win?"
Answer: it isn't

[uptothewolves]

With money you can only get cosmetics or taunts etc which don’t improve any gameplay neither it gives special powers. And don’t even talk about weapons since you can earn them from the weapon drop system.