Kai Shan 2019 年 5 月 29 日 上午 6:13
Steam Store Queue Broken
Tired of my store queue filling with game types that I am not interested in I customised my queue, lo and behold, every tag that I put on my block list still comes up in my queue.

E.G. I don't like pixel graphic games, I put pixel graphics on my block list, I still get pixel graphics games in my queue.

Seems a really simple task for software to do, so why doesn't it work?
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cSg|mc-Hotsauce 2019 年 5 月 29 日 上午 6:26 
And tell us what it says about those titles. Why are they being recommended to you?

It tells you under the wishlist/follow/ignore buttons.

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Kai Shan 2019 年 5 月 29 日 上午 6:33 
1. how is this relevant? If I say I don't want to see 'x' then why should 'x' be in my queue?
2. it tells me above the wish/follow/ignore buttons, below the buttons it says 'press a button or just press next', and it usually says "this game is in your discovery queue to see if you are interested" and since I have said that I don't want 'x' type of game I am not interested
cSg|mc-Hotsauce 2019 年 5 月 29 日 上午 6:44 
It is relevant as it tells you why it was recommended to you.

Why was it recommended to you?

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Kai Shan 2019 年 5 月 29 日 上午 6:45 
perhaps if you actually read my response, since point 2 answered that question.
Crazy Tiger 2019 年 5 月 29 日 上午 8:03 
No, it didn't. Hotsauce means to the right, see the very professional red arrow in this screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/NDmq6vD
wuddih 2019 年 5 月 29 日 上午 8:12 
引用自 Crazy Tiger
No, it didn't. Hotsauce means to the right, see the very professional red arrow in this screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/NDmq6vD
the question was why is a game in the queue and that is answered right at the other more professional arrow.
https://i.imgur.com/9taGV3O.png

the box you pointed out has nothing to do with the queue, that box is on every store page.
最后由 wuddih 编辑于; 2019 年 5 月 29 日 上午 8:12
Crazy Tiger 2019 年 5 月 29 日 上午 8:17 
Then I get why people find it pointless. There is no useful information in there, ever. Just to ttest it I did my two DQs and all games had "because it's popular" in it. That helps nobody.
Count_Dandyman 2019 年 5 月 29 日 上午 8:24 
引用自 Kai Shan
perhaps if you actually read my response, since point 2 answered that question.
A better question is how many games have you gone through and how many have you put on ignore because no matter what you might want the queue won't repeat itself so if those numbers are too high it has to throw things at you that you aren't too interested in just to find something new.
Harmonica 2019 年 5 月 29 日 上午 10:36 
I think they deleted people's exclusions. At least I used to have a dozen or more tags excluded, but I can't see that list anywhere, including in the queue customisation.

Queue has been utterly terrible at providing recommendations since a few years back, anyway. Always recommending things like addons for 20 year old games, or the 15 year old version of a remake I already own. Or just mostly utter junk that I've said 'not interested' to hundreds of times.

Previous to that I would wishlist two or three things every queue. Now it probably takes ten or more queues to ever see anything remotely interesting. It's useless and broken. I have been buying and playing PC games on Steam for 15 years, and I've gone through over 1000 queue items in the queue. Steam should know very well what to recommend me (and it did use to, before they updated it).

They need to work on their algorithms because the store is pretty much unusable unless you're typing the name of a game you already know.
最后由 Harmonica 编辑于; 2019 年 5 月 29 日 上午 10:40
cSg|mc-Hotsauce 2019 年 5 月 29 日 上午 10:37 
There is a limit to the amount of tags you can exclude.

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AmsterdamHeavy 2019 年 5 月 29 日 上午 11:06 
引用自 Harmonica

Previous to that I would wishlist two or three things every queue. Now it probably takes ten or more queues to ever see anything remotely interesting. It's useless and broken. I have been buying and playing PC games on Steam for 15 years, and I've gone through over 1000 queue items in the queue. Steam should know very well what to recommend me (and it did use to, before they updated it).

They need to work on their algorithms because the store is pretty much unusable unless you're typing the name of a game you already know.


With like 30,000+ titles on Steam - how many do you think actually fit your bill of "interesting"?

1,000 would be 3% of the total. Now, Im sure you cant name 1,000 games, even if you liked every one of them.

So, your result is actually to be perfectly expected when you factor in that the discovery queue doesnt repeat tittles. It just keeps going until there is literally nothing left to show you (some people (have done this).

Adding a little math to the situation provides clarity I think. I mean, pick a number, I used 1,000 because it was easy. If your want fits the bill of only 500 games, now youre at 1.5% of the total titles on Steam.

Just a little perspective...youre literally sifting for diamonds.
最后由 AmsterdamHeavy 编辑于; 2019 年 5 月 29 日 上午 11:07
Harmonica 2019 年 5 月 29 日 上午 11:36 
As I said, I used to get two or three great recommendations per queue, and then it stopped turning up results with the same frequency, to the point where the queue was actually terrible, so something changed on their end in the way they generate results.

It's not that I exhausted the supply, because there are loads of games produced every year that I'm interested in, of all types of genres (more than enough to show me some recommendations every month or so), but Steam just isn't telling me about them anymore.

It's not about picking several from 30,000, as in literally picking at random and hoping to get a good recommendation - the results it could give me based on the metrics and data they have should be very accurate (and they did use to be). There are just that many people making games that it's not really like hunting for lost treasure.
Kai Shan 2019 年 5 月 30 日 上午 3:01 
Okay, so we all know where the 'this product is in your discovery queue because:' bit is.

I do kind of understand the 'is this game relevant to your - because you've played games tagged with:' (the first professional arrow) because maybe I have played a game tagged with 'X', but I have put 'Y' on my exclusion list and this game in my queue that I don't want to see because it is tagged 'Y' might also be tagged 'X' and the steam app has not been programmed well enough to deal with that.

If there are 30,000 games on steam and I have have seen 10,000 of them, and I have excluded 10 tags, then out of the remaining 20,000 games there must be a dozen that don't include my exclusion tags, but do include tags of games that I have played a lot.
So whilst I understand your point Dandyman, I do find that implausible.

I agree with Harmonica in that I used to get good suggestions in the queue, that's why I use it, but the last month or so it seems to have dried up.

I just think that the queue should be able to find games that have tags 'that you have recently played' or marked as desirable, without including any games that have tags that I have excluded.
I really don't think this should be too hard for a competent programmer.

But yes, I think maybe I have dried out the well. I am old and picky, my first computer game was star trek with a screen of asterisks, the Enterprise was an 'E', the Klingons and Romulan ships were Ks and Rs and the computer was at the maths department at uni and was the size of a house. I was only allowed to play if there were no honour students using it; this was my dad's idea of baby sitting.

I might change tactics and pick a game that I have and like and select 'show more like this' and see how this goes.

Thanks anyhow guys,
Kai
Harmonica 2019 年 5 月 30 日 下午 8:57 
I started playing just after the 'klingons were Ks' era.. I don't think the well has dried up for us. Maybe it's harder to get excited about things we've seen more often than others, but as I said, there's a lot of games being made by people just like us (as well as those who are now much younger..).

If you want to find out about new games I have found that following the game dev discussions on Twitter is the best way to do it. #screenshotsaturday and #gamedev in particular (doubly so if anyone is working on their own games, please join the discussion on these tags!)

The bigger problem with Steam recommendations is that it doesn't even seem to correctly tag the games I've played a lot of - when I browse games on the store that are so in my wheelhouse it's ridiculous, and it says 'you haven't played any games like this', but I've probably put over 1000 hours into games that are just like it...
Your Mom's Oshi 2019 年 5 月 30 日 下午 9:14 
I kinda want to take the bet about not being able to name 1000 games but I'm old as hell so I've seen a ton of games.
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