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wadmodder1999 2019 年 9 月 26 日 下午 3:59
Change.org: My petition for Valve to discontinue 32-bit software and hardware support & development
Since Valve has been silent on many macOS gaming articles documenting every single 32-bit game for the macOS market (including their own macOS ports of Source Engine and GoldSrc Engine games) getting dropped support with the upcoming release of macOS Catalina in October this year, I wanted to start a petition on change.org for users to support.

https://www.change.org/p/valve-valve-discontinue-development-of-32-bit-version-of-steam-go-exclusive-to-64-bit

This discussion is not a flame war against Valve, their employees or any Steam users. I am against boycotting or filing complains to Valve and respects their products, their Steam store and it's community.
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Muppet among Puppets 2019 年 9 月 27 日 下午 5:22 
引用自 wadmodderjune161999
I have decided not to make anymore replys, I just don't want to be the bad Steam veteran.:steamsad:
Apple did this, not you.
dont add me 2019 年 9 月 27 日 下午 8:00 
Steam is still selling a massive catalog of 32 bit games. Dropping 32 bit software support would be incredibly idiotic.
Fish Salad 2019 年 9 月 27 日 下午 9:10 
i don't use a mac why would i have to lose 32 bit games because you have one
Coffee 2019 年 9 月 27 日 下午 9:58 
引用自 Spawn of Totoro
Going by the Steam Stats, 1.2% of the users use 32 bit Windows 7 and 10. With 15 million+ active users daily, that is a lot of users still using 32 bit.

That's a lot but how many of them actually have a PC to run these games.

I've seen an user on steam forum constantly requesting 32 bit support while he have a massive computer.
At this point, he should have just reinstalled the OS in 64.

So many instal it in 32 and yet they don't even know the difference!
Coffee 2019 年 9 月 27 日 下午 9:59 
引用自 Toast
Steam is still selling a massive catalog of 32 bit games. Dropping 32 bit software support would be incredibly idiotic.


Like which ones? They would sell games that doesn't even work on 64 bits then? With all the game I have on Steam, I don't even know they had lol.
Muppet among Puppets 2019 年 9 月 27 日 下午 10:00 
引用自 Louna
引用自 Spawn of Totoro
Going by the Steam Stats, 1.2% of the users use 32 bit Windows 7 and 10. With 15 million+ active users daily, that is a lot of users still using 32 bit.

That's a lot but how many of them actually have a PC to run these games.
Apart from apple, probably every pc can run 32bit games
Spawn of Totoro 2019 年 9 月 27 日 下午 10:05 
引用自 Louna
That's a lot but how many of them actually have a PC to run these games.

I've seen an user on steam forum constantly requesting 32 bit support while he have a massive computer.
At this point, he should have just reinstalled the OS in 64.

So many instal it in 32 and yet they don't even know the difference!

Some still think that 64 bit can't run 32 bit programs. Other then that, they may have upgraded their OS from a 32 bit to another 32 bit, as they didn't want to lose everything they have.

The only facts we have though, is that 1.2% still use a 32 bit OS.

引用自 Louna
引用自 Toast
Steam is still selling a massive catalog of 32 bit games. Dropping 32 bit software support would be incredibly idiotic.


Like which ones? They would sell games that doesn't even work on 64 bits then? With all the game I have on Steam, I don't even know they had lol.

A very large amount of games are still in 32 bit. Check a games system requirements. If it doesn't state 64 bit as a requirement, then it only requires 32 bit CPU and OS.

32 bit programs run fine on a 64 bit OS, but the reverse does not... that is, unless you remove the 32 bit binaries in the OS like Apple is.
最后由 Spawn of Totoro 编辑于; 2019 年 9 月 27 日 下午 10:08
cinedine 2019 年 9 月 27 日 下午 11:10 
引用自 Louna
引用自 Toast
Steam is still selling a massive catalog of 32 bit games. Dropping 32 bit software support would be incredibly idiotic.

Like which ones? They would sell games that doesn't even work on 64 bits then? With all the game I have on Steam, I don't even know they had lol.

Because Windows still provides the 32bit interface in addition to the 64bit. Removing it has zero benefits for the user.
It makes sense for Apple as they want to control their machines as much as possible "for the best experience" and they deiberately break backwards compatibility with OS updates.

Microsoft on the other hand want people to use their newest OS and there is a LOT of specialised commercial software which is fully functional but barely supported anymore or that works under the premise "don't fix what isn't broken". There is a reason why you see e.g. displays for public transport displaying Windows Server 2000 bluescreens or hospitals running Windows XP which as we have seen not long ago is a bg security risk because exploits don't get fixed. Imaging the costs and torubles having to update a custom hospital software to 64 bit exclusive just to be able to support a newer OS version to avoid another WannaCry.
joeymeboy98 2019 年 9 月 28 日 上午 2:21 
引用自 Satoru
So you want steam to do what apple is doing and what Ubuntu tried to do

Kinda feels like you’re not actually reading what you’re actually trying to propose
I still miss those games, and the achievements.
Count_Dandyman 2019 年 9 月 28 日 上午 2:36 
引用自 Louna
引用自 Toast
Steam is still selling a massive catalog of 32 bit games. Dropping 32 bit software support would be incredibly idiotic.


Like which ones? They would sell games that doesn't even work on 64 bits then? With all the game I have on Steam, I don't even know they had lol.
32 bit games can work on 64 bit Apple are making the choice to block them from working.
RedLightning 2019 年 9 月 28 日 上午 3:15 
引用自 Count_Dandyman
引用自 Louna


Like which ones? They would sell games that doesn't even work on 64 bits then? With all the game I have on Steam, I don't even know they had lol.
32 bit games can work on 64 bit Apple are making the choice to block them from working.

I agree.. that is about the sum of it. I wonder how people would react if this was Microsoft making that decision with the next update of windows 10...

nullable 2019 年 9 月 28 日 上午 6:03 
Users always get upset when they think you're taking something away. It doesn't really matter how small of a minority they are. In OPs case mac users running Steam who have a lot of concern over being able to continue to run hl & hl2 based games.

Sure, given a choice no one will opt to break compatibility. But if it happens only a small minority will be affected.

It's not gonna happen with Windows though, not for a while, too much dependence in Enterprise for legacy software.
8ullfrog 2019 年 9 月 28 日 上午 8:56 
If Enterprises could run their systems on microwaves or abacuses, they would. As long as they were cheaper.

Honestly, I'm surprised how quickly things are being superseded or obsoleted because of that. I've occasionally seen 95 installs on jobs. They have some piece of software they bought back then that became the heart of the company, and if it dies, they're screwed.

Thankfully, I still remember how to fix those ancient boxes. Part replacement is getting a little tricky.

At least they don't network the things. The cylons would be on them in a heartbeat.
Coffee 2019 年 9 月 28 日 上午 8:58 
引用自 Louna

That's a lot but how many of them actually have a PC to run these games.
Apart from apple, probably every pc can run 32bit games


Tons of my games on CD won't even run giving a cannot run 32bit error.
nullable 2019 年 9 月 28 日 上午 9:15 
引用自 8ullfrog
They have some piece of software they bought back then that became the heart of the company, and if it dies, they're screwed.

Yep, my company has been feeling that pain. And we're working on re-writing that black box software from scratch while simultaneously nursing the old software along and adding features to it. It's a recipe for efficiency >_>, but it also is what it is.

The business unit has constant needs and demands, and they're not worry about catastrophe until their back is against the wall. Then they're all ready and willing to play ball and cooperate with us developers on a reasonable timeline.

引用自 Louna
Apart from apple, probably every pc can run 32bit games

Tons of my games on CD won't even run giving a cannot run 32bit error.

Well there's some details you're omitting there. I would bet if you listed the titles, you can get most of them running on current PC's. The issue could be the installer on the CD-ROM or something like that.

The short of it is Muppet is right and your response isn't really a compelling argument against his, it's just being contrary for the sake of being contrary.
最后由 nullable 编辑于; 2019 年 9 月 28 日 上午 9:16
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