Broke, don't want to play ASCII version, Review recommendations?

[ShadowBane]

EDIT #2: I give in. I bought the game. Thanks

EDIT #1:

Thanks for all the advice. I know I can download the classic version and the lazy noob tileset, but honestly I am just looking for a review that does not expect the viewer to be familiar with the classic version. As I mentioned in the title I don't want to play the classic version first, but since finding "fresh" reviews for newcomers is almost impossible it may be the only option I have,

Thanks again for all the help and advice.
Original post below:

Hi everyone. Sorry if this has been asked to death, I am sick and feeling terrible and just need some help.

I really want to try this game but just can't bring myself to go with the ASCII version as I believe it will not be for me and then sour me on the Steam version. Money is tight and I want to make sure the game is right for me. (I don't want to rely on the refund option because from what I understand 2 hours is not enough to judge the game on).

I havn't found any reviews that really sell me on why it is getting 10/10 review or "game I could play for the rest of my life" vibes, but I really want to buy into it and I don't want to miss out on something awesome.

So far the IGN review and a few day one playthroughs don't help me. Anyone know of any really good reviews that are not just players learning the game (or re-learning it from the old version) that you could recommend?

Money is tight and I need to plan my purchases.

Thanks

[sgt.greywar]

引用自 EternalNooblet：

引用自 ShadowBane：

Just looking for some good review recommendations.

on the steam review page, select negative only, sort by most recent. lots of ppl with a fair and honest opinion.

says the troll whose ill-researched post made Tarn more money than any ad campaign could have.

[EternalNooblet]

the positive reviews, including ign's 10/10 (lol), are from hyperfans.

[pawelkrzyzak]

I believe most if not all 10/10 reviews are from Dwarf Fortress afficionados, who have been playing this game for years and years already, knowing and loving every inch of it. This is one of the things that you can either love or hate it, I guess.
If you will play original version of the game with graphic tile sets (graphics are nice and readable) you will familiarize yourself with mechanics but you will miss the only and sole reason many of us paid money for it: easy to use, intuitive and accessible user interface (UI).

[BlackSmokeDMax]

引用自 pawelkrzyzak：

I believe most if not all 10/10 reviews are from Dwarf Fortress afficionados, who have been playing this game for years and years already, knowing and loving every inch of it. This is one of the things that you can either love or hate it, I guess.
If you will play original version of the game with graphic tile sets (graphics are nice and readable) you will familiarize yourself with mechanics but you will miss the only and sole reason many of us paid money for it: easy to use, intuitive and accessible user interface (UI).

For now. Eventually the free version is getting the same interface, sans the Steam tileset and interface graphics.

[sgt.greywar]

引用自 EternalNooblet：

the positive reviews, including ign's 10/10 (lol), are from hyperfans.

Fans of a thing like features of said thing and leave reviews to said effect?!?!? Who knew?

Next you would have me believe that people who DONT like a thing might be the ones leaving the majority of negative reviews!

FILM AT 11!

[ShadowBane]

引用自 pawelkrzyzak：

I believe most if not all 10/10 reviews are from Dwarf Fortress afficionados, who have been playing this game for years and years already, knowing and loving every inch of it.

I think this is the problem I am encountering trying to research if this game is right for me. There are no reviews from someone reviewing it without already knowing the Classic game. I can't seam to find a review that treats it as a new release for people who have no history with the original. They all rely on the viewer having some understanding already of why the game is so good, and that doesn't help me.

[Erei]

引用自 pawelkrzyzak：

I believe most if not all 10/10 reviews are from Dwarf Fortress afficionados, who have been playing this game for years and years already, knowing and loving every inch of it. This is one of the things that you can either love or hate it, I guess.
If you will play original version of the game with graphic tile sets (graphics are nice and readable) you will familiarize yourself with mechanics but you will miss the only and sole reason many of us paid money for it: easy to use, intuitive and accessible user interface (UI).

DF was always a class of its own, arguably the "most popular niche" game ever. It was featured in media a lot, and many games took their inspiration from it. It was really high in the most wishlisted game on steam, despite little mainstream marketing and a relatively small and unknown publisher.

But yes, the steam release and the new UI/mouse control was really big for a lot people. From the one who wanted to play and couldn't deal with it's clunkyness, to the ones playing and wanting something better.


DF was ALWAYS difficult to get "into". Less now, with a proper UI/tutorial, but still it's true. That won't change.
Also, DF is big on learning through losing.

And to the other guy, saying only the negative reviews are "fair and honest" is trollish and biased. You may disagree, but that doesn't mean everyone should think like you.

[EternalNooblet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bth8qcDoggg

[sgt.greywar]

引用自 Erei：

引用自 pawelkrzyzak：

I believe most if not all 10/10 reviews are from Dwarf Fortress afficionados, who have been playing this game for years and years already, knowing and loving every inch of it. This is one of the things that you can either love or hate it, I guess.
If you will play original version of the game with graphic tile sets (graphics are nice and readable) you will familiarize yourself with mechanics but you will miss the only and sole reason many of us paid money for it: easy to use, intuitive and accessible user interface (UI).

And to the other guy, saying only the negative reviews are "fair and honest" is trollish and biased. You may disagree, but that doesn't mean everyone should think like you.

Guy is an NPC. Reading his other posts shows the incredible nature of someone who almost occasionally successfully pretends to have original thoughts.

[Diarmuhnd]

SetthTzeentach 'borrowed' a little video from Kruggsmash and claimed it was his own ... lol
Still, Seth is a riot.

[EternalNooblet]

too many ppl here are ready to throw personal insults at me when that's never ok

[pawelkrzyzak]

引用自 ShadowBane：

引用自 pawelkrzyzak：

I believe most if not all 10/10 reviews are from Dwarf Fortress afficionados, who have been playing this game for years and years already, knowing and loving every inch of it.

I think this is the problem I am encountering trying to research if this game is right for me. There are no reviews from someone reviewing it without already knowing the Classic game. I can't seam to find a review that treats it as a new release for people who have no history with the original. They all rely on the viewer having some understanding already of why the game is so good, and that doesn't help me.

If I am not mistaken, developers with some youtuber have made 3 long and detailed videos on how to play this game from scratch. I watched some parts of it and I had a feeling person that played it under dev supervising didn't actually know, what is happening. It was some kind of official release promotional material and detailed tutorial (yes - this game needs either: smart, intelligent user or good tutorial).

[BlackSmokeDMax]

引用自 pawelkrzyzak：

引用自 ShadowBane：

I think this is the problem I am encountering trying to research if this game is right for me. There are no reviews from someone reviewing it without already knowing the Classic game. I can't seam to find a review that treats it as a new release for people who have no history with the original. They all rely on the viewer having some understanding already of why the game is so good, and that doesn't help me.

If I am not mistaken, developers with some youtuber have made 3 long and detailed videos on how to play this game from scratch. I watched some parts of it and I had a feeling person that played it under dev supervising didn't actually know, what is happening. It was some kind of official release promotional material and detailed tutorial (yes - this game needs either: smart, intelligent user or good tutorial).

Yep, here is that series:

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAcQJt6sSXKAk1b7GEo4TX3xMO_oBKvL6

[Erei]

引用自 pawelkrzyzak：

引用自 ShadowBane：

I think this is the problem I am encountering trying to research if this game is right for me. There are no reviews from someone reviewing it without already knowing the Classic game. I can't seam to find a review that treats it as a new release for people who have no history with the original. They all rely on the viewer having some understanding already of why the game is so good, and that doesn't help me.

If I am not mistaken, developers with some youtuber have made 3 long and detailed videos on how to play this game from scratch. I watched some parts of it and I had a feeling person that played it under dev supervising didn't actually know, what is happening. It was some kind of official release promotional material and detailed tutorial (yes - this game needs either: smart, intelligent user or good tutorial).

If that's the recent official videos I think of, it was "noob play" as "noob first play" and not "teaching noob to play". Alex was a first time player. She was coached in the first video by the Adams brothers (the creator and devs), then in the 2 others by 2 different content creator.
I agree that the title could have been phrased better :)


EDIT : yes, "let's learn", IE "I learn on video", and not "you learn". Don't play like her, she is, well, a noob :D

[ShadowBane]

引用自 BlackSmokeDMax：

引用自 pawelkrzyzak：

If I am not mistaken, developers with some youtuber have made 3 long and detailed videos on how to play this game from scratch. I watched some parts of it and I had a feeling person that played it under dev supervising didn't actually know, what is happening. It was some kind of official release promotional material and detailed tutorial (yes - this game needs either: smart, intelligent user or good tutorial).

Yep, here is that series:

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAcQJt6sSXKAk1b7GEo4TX3xMO_oBKvL6

Thanks for the link. Guess I am going to be busy for a while. Those are very long videos but maybe the best I will get to knowing the game.