Thronebreaker: The Witcher Tales

Thronebreaker: The Witcher Tales

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Drake Ravenwolf 19 DIC 2018 a las 15:46
Choices and Consequences Guide
Version 1.0 of the guide is now available here:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1595536104

And my guide is finished! Or at least as complete as it can be without more input from the community. Since I don't have a tool to tear open the actual dialogue files for Thronebreaker like I had for The Banner Saga, I can always use more help from the community in documenting the long term consequences that only transpire long after an initial choice is made. What I need is not eg "he'll betray you," but instead "you'll lose 6 recruits" or in other words; details, specifics.
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Ecthelion 25 DIC 2018 a las 4:19 
I'm not sure how far into the guide you are, but I have contributed to some reddit threads asking about consequences, you so I might be able to help out when I'm free.
Drake Ravenwolf 25 DIC 2018 a las 22:42 
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I'm not sure how far into the guide you are, but I have contributed to some reddit threads asking about consequences, you so I might be able to help out when I'm free.
There was a decided lack of interest when I posted this notice, so I did a bit of work on the guide then got discouraged and distracted by RDR2. I will work on the guide and finish it, just might take longer than I'd expected.
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Drake Ravenwolf 7 ENE 2019 a las 21:36 
I'm up to Chapter/Map #4, have discovered several bugs by now, as always with my guides tags are searchable including the BUG tag *cough* devs *cough*
Ecthelion 8 ENE 2019 a las 4:49 
Ah okay nice, I see you've made the guide public now, and it's looking good. I'll try and see if I can contribute anything, though I can't really be sure what you consider tangible/intangible consequences. Choices result in an obvious immediate variation in dialogue (most times anyway), so that probably won't need to be included in a "consequences" guide, but what if they have story effects in future scenes? Here are a couple of examples that came to my mind:

1) The first dialogue choice in the game could be referenced in an additional line of dialogue from Caldwell at the end of Act 1, if you chose "disappointing".

2) Taking off the envoy's head in Act 2 will be referenced in dialogue by Aep Dahy in Act 5.

3) In Act 3, there is a feast scene with Brouver as long as your reputation is not low.

Would these be considered tangible enough for the guide or are you strictly looking at resources, items (letters/cards), and endings?
Última edición por Ecthelion; 8 ENE 2019 a las 4:52
Drake Ravenwolf 8 ENE 2019 a las 9:47 
Ya, those would all be intagibles. Eg. Nothing happens with the feast other than a background change and minor dilogue changes, if it resulted in +Morale then I'dve included that

You can search for the tags "+Evil" to see if you know of any unlisted consequences, or the tag "TODO" incase you can help with any of those
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Ecthelion 12 ENE 2019 a las 16:41 
Okay, I understand. The vast majority of the +Evil consequences will be of very little interest to you, considering the very heavy numerical focus of this guide. But for everything else, Iike letters that depend on choices, the TODO list, and anything else I noticed while reading the guide, I'm giving some comments.

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"Command your force to help the troll" Battle, Morale = Neutral, Random Loot, Card Unlock (Elf and Onion Soup)
You will also Lose Card (Eyck of Denesle) if he’s already in your party at this point.

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TODO: Need someone to test if you still get Arnjolf in map 4 if you punish the raiders
Nope, you get into a gwent battle, after which he dies. That means you miss out on Arnjolf the Patricide, Dagur Two Blades, Disgraced Brawler and Disgraced Warrior.

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"Attack the emissary's escort" +Morale, Continue
You will also immediately get Nilfgaardian Ultimatum if you attack (not to be confused with the letter you get later in act 2 for cutting off his head).

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"Approach the Wayfarer's Beech" Continue
You'll also get a letter called 'Warning' for doing this.

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"Leave the gold in Gatberg" +Evil
In Act 3, you’ll get "Letter from the Mayor of Gatberg". You’re supposed to get a pouch of gold too, but I can’t notice if any gold is being added.


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One of three choices that allows you to keep Rayla
I think maybe the guide could point out somewhere that you can keep her card as long as you only disagree with her in 1 of the three choices.

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TODO: Need someone to confirm that you also get 5000 Gold if you invest 2500
Confirmed, you get the same options.

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TODO: Need someone to tell me what is here if you did not invest
If you invest nothing, the bankers simply won't be there in Act 5.

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"Search for the missing dwarves" Continue (+1483 Gold, might be a random amount, only if Rayla is NOT with you)
You will also get the "Call to Arms" letter.

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"Attack the Nilfgaardians" ++Morale, Random Loot, -500 Gold, +2x Letters, +Evil
If by the 2nd letter, you mean the "Warning from Clan Council" one, then you also must attack the Nilfgaardian caravan from earlier to get it.

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When you leave Mahakam you will always get the card unlocks regardless of how much or how little the dwarves like you. The only thing that seems to change is how many recruits you receive
I think the whole Brouver "reputation" part of the guide stands out as a really strange segment and gets quite a few things wrong, but since you'd like focus on numbers here, I'll just talk about that. The number of the cards you receive actually change. You can either get 2, 4, or 5 of each depending on how much Brouver likes you. This could be important since you can't craft to increase the number of cards for these 3 Mahakam units.

You will also get "Letter from Brouver Hoog" in the Epilogue, if your "reputation" is not in the lowest tier.


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"Order your force to attack Red Lobster" Random Loot, Continue
Just a typo for Red Lobinden lol.

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(-38 Recruits later on, might be a random amount)
Yeah I've seen it range from 20-50.

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Unavoidable Story Event (if you stopped the blood ritual and do NOT have Isbel with you)
-Morale
I also lost 5 people for this.

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"Arrest Villem" +Evil
You also get "Letter to Villem".

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"Begin producing your own propaganda" +2000 Gold, +40 Recruits (++Morale, +300 Recruits later on)
This will also unlock the 5 Lyrian Pamphlet letters on the map

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TODO: Need someone to tell me what is here if you turned the Rvians in to the dwarves
In the same place, you get a different report to choose between:
-1 Morale
-250 Gold
-1 Morale

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"Reynard will lead the assault on the boat landing" +Evil, Continue, Lose Card (Reynard Odo)
"Gascon is the man for the task" +Evil, Continue, Lose Card (Gascon)
Or Lose Card (Prince Villem) in either case, if you refused his offer.

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"You're right, Reynard. I thank you"
"Such a gift I cannot accept"
TODO: Need Gascon's dialogue
If Villem died
"You're right, Reynard. Thank you."
"Villem's death was my fault."

If Reynard died
"You're right...I thank you."
"Death is never beautiful."
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Drake Ravenwolf 12 ENE 2019 a las 18:42 
Wow, lot to go through there, most of em I've added to the guide, but a few I'll comment on:

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One of three choices that allows you to keep Rayla
I think maybe the guide could point out somewhere that you can keep her card as long as you only disagree with her in 1 of the three choices.

I considered mentioning this even before your comment, problem is I'm running out of room (a Steam character limit) in this section and I'm not entirely sure where I'd put it anyway.
To add it I'd have to take something else out so in the end I just left this part out instead :S
Plus I read an account of someone who had agreed w/ Rayla's first two but buried Eldain and still ended up lossing her

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"Order your force to attack Red Lobster" Random Loot, Continue
Just a typo for Red Lobinden lol.

I actually made that "typo" on purpose just to see if anyone would notice lol :)

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Unavoidable Story Event (if you stopped the blood ritual and do NOT have Isbel with you)
-Morale
I also lost 5 people for this.

I mention the recruits back on this line:
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"Stop the blood ritual" +Encounter Unlock, +Evil (Later on: -5 Recruits, -Morale if Isbel is NOT with you then later still: +1000 Gold, +500 Wood if with druids)
The line you reference is more just to mark where the morale change happens

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"Reynard will lead the assault on the boat landing" +Evil, Continue, Lose Card (Reynard Odo)
"Gascon is the man for the task" +Evil, Continue, Lose Card (Gascon)
Or Lose Card (Prince Villem) in either case, if you refused his offer.

This one I don't quite understand; Villem joins you then dies if you initially refuse his offer?
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Ecthelion 13 ENE 2019 a las 3:41 
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Plus I read an account of someone who had agreed w/ Rayla's first two but buried Eldain and still ended up lossing her

That is extremely odd. It must have been either a very specific bug at the time or the person simply misremembered. I've tested that mechanic extensively and the way it works is that the 3 choices contribute evenly to how much Rayla disapproves of you. And if you do two things that she disapproves of, she leaves.

This means that even if you skip two of the choices, and in the remaining Eldain choice, you disagree with Rayla, she will still stand by you in the end, despite the fact that you've never agreed with her ideas before!

Having said that, it was all just a suggestion and this is your guide, so of course you're the one that has to figure what can fit in with the character limits.

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I actually made that "typo" on purpose just to see if anyone would notice lol :)

Hah! Well, I had a laugh at it, so I guess it serves its purpose.

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This one I don't quite understand; Villem joins you then dies if you initially refuse his offer?

My mistake about the Lose Villem card part. The thing I was trying to get across is that if Villem is in the castle (because you refused his offer earlier), he will sacrifice himself. In this scenario, you won't have had the Villem card to lose him, but it means that you also won't lose your Reynard or Gascon card, no matter what option you pick here. I feel like you probably already know about this, so maybe I'm missing something obvious.
Drake Ravenwolf 13 ENE 2019 a las 18:46 
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My mistake about the Lose Villem card part. The thing I was trying to get across is that if Villem is in the castle (because you refused his offer earlier), he will sacrifice himself. In this scenario, you won't have had the Villem card to lose him, but it means that you also won't lose your Reynard or Gascon card, no matter what option you pick here. I feel like you probably already know about this, so maybe I'm missing something obvious.

Actually no, I didn't know you could keep both Reynard and Gascon if you refused Villem, I'll add it to the guide!

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Having said that, it was all just a suggestion and this is your guide, so of course you're the one that has to figure what can fit in with the character limits.

I went back and tried adding in something to that section again but I litterally only have 8 characters remaining in Ashes of Aedirn before I'd have to start taking something else out :S
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Kawazaki 19 MAY 2019 a las 5:40 
For consistency's sake: You forgot to mention the Skellige Party joining (Arnjolf & his gang) after this part of the 'Behind enemy lines section [just before the Tomb]

"Headed South now

Unavoidable Story Event (if you stopped the blood ritual and do NOT have Isbel with you)
-Morale

* Battle *
Morale = Neutral

If Turned the Skelligers against Nilfgard in chapter 'A Bitter Return' +Card Unlock Arnjolf the Patricide, +Card Unlock Dagur Two Blades, +Card Unlock Disgraced Warriors, + Card Unlock Disgraced Brawler "

Also, it's not quite Red Lobster but Red Lobinden?

Other than that and a few other odd bits here and there it's a pretty great guide, thanks.
Drake Ravenwolf 19 MAY 2019 a las 14:21 
@Kawazaki
It hadn't been there because I think I had considered it redundant, but I went ahead and added that line.

And "Red Lobster" is just a hidden joke for those actually reading and not just skimming :)
The guide was invaluable in my completion of the game. Very helpful, thanks indeed!

I 100% the game's achievements in my first run and enjoyed the final battle a lot, actually somewhat challenging so was super satisfying to mow down and destroy those troops.

I had 2 achievements bug out on me but managed to get them with some editing and an hours frustration in a tired state.
Drake Ravenwolf 24 MAY 2019 a las 12:15 
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The guide was invaluable in my completion of the game. Very helpful, thanks indeed!

I 100% the game's achievements in my first run and enjoyed the final battle a lot, actually somewhat challenging so was super satisfying to mow down and destroy those troops.

I had 2 achievements bug out on me but managed to get them with some editing and an hours frustration in a tired state.
Glad to hear it, thanks for the kind words :)
Schmiki 5 JUN 2020 a las 13:18 
ah I've got the Isbel: Destroyer conversation bug. Is there any way to fix it? Since I can't load prev saves, I am stuck with the conv not appearing in the tent.
edy 8 ABR a las 4:10 
The guide seems to be prepared in lowest difficulty. In bonebreaker, you gain 3x less rewards.
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