Buff Supermonkey.

[katanaofsubterfuge]

I know for the devs, they are pretty out of touch with the basics of the game because they are so focused on high level strategies and such, but let's just take a moment to think of the noobies. A Supermonkey is in many cases worse than spamming a bunch of weak towers, that does not make sense. You spend all game saving up money for it, leaking bloons, risking death, and it's weaker than the safer option of spamming weak towers with gradual upgrades?

Same with heli pilot, extremely weak tower, unless you have like 50k saved up and are going straight for the t4 paths.

[battlezoby]

Escrito originalmente por katanaofsubterfuge:

Yeah, I thought about the no-brainer thing as well, but spamming weak towers with small upgrades is even less brainier and much more effective.

Another issue is Double Cash. Unlike the other micto-transacitions which can add up to hundreds of dollars and still not be all that useful, I think of Double Cash as the only reasonable way to contribute to the dev's after you've bought the game on sale.

If you want to play a no-brainer game, which is fine, especially for relaxation, Supermonkey's are pretty practical in most maps/modes if you get Double Cash.

The xx4 and xx5 are still pretty bad in even in double cash, but usable, but a lot of the others are actually pretty straight-forward and make for a nice relaxing game on most non-event (non-boss, non-CT, non-race) map modes.

And "in the old days", the game was largely about spamming Supermonkeys to see how high a level you could hit. Sadly, today it's more about Paragons and the late game gets too hard to fast in my opinion. The game is supposed to be fun and I think medium-skilled players ought to be able to hit Round 400 or higher if feel like spending the time. You can do it easily enough in BTD5.

[battlezoby]

Escrito originalmente por randomguy:

Escrito originalmente por katanaofsubterfuge:

Yeah, I thought about the no-brainer thing as well, but spamming weak towers with small upgrades is even less brainier and much more effective.

it's much bigger brain to place down 10 towers than it is to place down 1 and hit a few buttons

By "hit a few buttons" do you mean Activated Abilities? I don't think those are easy, in fact, they're so difficult it seems like you actually have to be awake and keep your eyes open most of the time in order to use them effectively !

That's why early on I decided I prefer the 204 Heli to the MOAB Mauler or x4x Buckaneer.

[randomguy]

Escrito originalmente por battlezoby:

Escrito originalmente por randomguy:

it's much bigger brain to place down 10 towers than it is to place down 1 and hit a few buttons

By "hit a few buttons" do you mean Activated Abilities? I don't think those are easy, in fact, they're so difficult it seems like you actually have to be awake and keep your eyes open most of the time in order to use them effectively !

That's why early on I decided I prefer the 204 Heli to the MOAB Mauler or x4x Buckaneer.

i meant the ,< .> and /? buttons to upgrade the tower.

[Spookypizza]

Escrito originalmente por katanaofsubterfuge:

Guys, I'm not talking about their late game upgrades. That's entirely the point. Their low-tiers are useless garbage. They just exist for you to plop down and skip all their low-tier upgrades straight to the good ones.

that's literally the point of the tower... it's designed for lategame, not earlygame...

[Hmm]

Escrito originalmente por katanaofsubterfuge:

I know for the devs, they are pretty out of touch with the basics of the game because they are so focused on high level strategies and such, but let's just take a moment to think of the noobies. A Supermonkey is in many cases worse than spamming a bunch of weak towers, that does not make sense. You spend all game saving up money for it, leaking bloons, risking death, and it's weaker than the safer option of spamming weak towers with gradual upgrades?

Same with heli pilot, extremely weak tower, unless you have like 50k saved up and are going straight for the t4 paths.

Heli OP asf get patrol and IFR

[Ninja Zyborg]

Escrito originalmente por katanaofsubterfuge:

You spend all game saving up money for it, leaking bloons, risking death,

you doing round 40 games or something?

[katanaofsubterfuge]

You guys are overthinking this, I just think Supermonkey should have his price dropped by 50-100, or maybe have his attack speed buffed by 5-10%. Nothing too big.

[Ninja Zyborg]

Escrito originalmente por katanaofsubterfuge:

You guys are overthinking this, I just think Supermonkey should have his price dropped by 50-100, or maybe have his attack speed buffed by 5-10%. Nothing too big.

so either a buff that does basically nothing, or a buff that is incredibly overpowered?

[katanaofsubterfuge]

Escrito originalmente por Ninja Zyborg:

Escrito originalmente por katanaofsubterfuge:

You guys are overthinking this, I just think Supermonkey should have his price dropped by 50-100, or maybe have his attack speed buffed by 5-10%. Nothing too big.

so either a buff that does basically nothing, or a buff that is incredibly overpowered?

Well, obviously you'd make the T3+ Supermonkeys more expensive if they gained the attack speed boost. At low tiers it'd be pretty weak.

[katanaofsubterfuge]

Also, i don't see how it'd be incredibly overpowered to buff their attack by 5-10% when alchemist buffs them by over 100%?

[Ninja Zyborg]

so... your whole complaint is that super monkey is weak at low tiers?

[katanaofsubterfuge]

Escrito originalmente por Ninja Zyborg:

so... your whole complaint is that super monkey is weak at low tiers?

Umm, yeah, do you have reading comprehension?

[Ninja Zyborg]

Escrito originalmente por katanaofsubterfuge:

Escrito originalmente por Ninja Zyborg:

so... your whole complaint is that super monkey is weak at low tiers?

Umm, yeah, do you have reading comprehension?

I just needed you to say this explicitly, so I could list off
mortar
heli
ice
dartling
spike
village
ace
glue

and probably a few more

[katanaofsubterfuge]

Escrito originalmente por Ninja Zyborg:

Escrito originalmente por katanaofsubterfuge:

Umm, yeah, do you have reading comprehension?

I just needed you to say this explicitly, so I could list off
mortar
heli
ice
dartling
spike
village
ace
glue

and probably a few more

For their price, those are all very good towers. Except for village, they gotta make village do SOMETHING at t0 eventually....

edit: and heli, mentioned that was bad.

[Ninja Zyborg]

Escrito originalmente por katanaofsubterfuge:

Escrito originalmente por Ninja Zyborg:

I just needed you to say this explicitly, so I could list off
mortar
heli
ice
dartling
spike
village
ace
glue

and probably a few more

For their price, those are all very good towers. Except for village, they gotta make village do SOMETHING at t0 eventually....

it gives range