Is CHIMPS even fun for anyone?

[CaptainPOCK]

Mostly asking because I'm curious how many people genuinely like CHIMPS.

I've been tapping into the realm of CHIMPS recently and personally found this game mode to be excruciating and really takes away the progression the game offers you. And the fact you can't even use money-generating towers which are literally in the base game (and requires input which you can't use offensively, and can easily end a run if you're not prepared for that investment) makes this game mode questionable.

Yes, I know I'm not the ultimate bloon-destroyer master, god of apex predatory ultra instinct. But I really don't see how this game mode is fun.

[insert git gud comment here]

[Tymon]

The total lack of farms I personally am okay with. Though I honestly wish there was a sort of mixture of Impoppable and CHIMPs mode. I detest having the knowledge points I worked hard to earn being basically thrown in the trash. And I also hate the total lack of any income boosters at like from the Alchemist's bottom path, supply drop from sniper, supply drop from helicopter, jungle's bounty from druid etc. The fact you are basically forced to spend cash on these upgrades in CHIMPs to unlock later tier upgrades when the thing you are paying for straight up does not function feels completely dumb to me personally.

[Dr. James Wilson]

CHIMPS offers a challenge that no other mode has. In my experience, I've gone through almost every beginner and intermediate map with only Ben, snipers, and druids. Of course, depending on the map I might've gone for a more AoE based tower, but that was my go to strategy because it was the easiest to go, and generally worked regardless of the map.

However, CHIMPS doesn't allow me to generate money with Ben or supply drops from the snipers. Instead, I've had to change up my strategy to adapt to the map I'm playing on. The middle of the path in hedges is nearly inaccessible unless you place towers that look down the lane, so I attempted to make sure that bloons wouldn't leak into that part of the map. And if they did, I had a spactory as insurance.

As the first pop-up states when you start playing CHIMPS, it's the test of a true BTD master, and that's honestly why I play CHIMPS. The rest of the modes are relatively trivial compared to it, and, tbh, they're snoozefests. I only really have to pay attention to modes like half-cash and impoppable because of the way they change the way you econ. But even then, getting past the hurdle that is having a decent econ in those modes makes it really, really easy.

[CaptainPOCK]

Originally posted by Tymon:

I actually think this whole conversation has gotten derailed from the original post's actual question. The question was if anyone finds it FUN.

Well, obviously this little harmless post triggered the elite defenders of the game. This post is like a lost red bloon through the exit.

To be honest I find this conversation kind of entertaining.

All I was trying to put out is: This thing isn't really enjoyable and feels unrewarding, perhaps adding an incentive would be nice.

What people think I said: Everyone who plays CHIMPS is the devils advocate.

[Evilsod]

Originally posted by CaptainPOCK:

Well, obviously this little harmless post triggered the elite defenders of the game. This post is like a lost red bloon through the exit..

Ah, suppose it should've been obvious this was a troll post.

[Ninja Zyborg]

Originally posted by CaptainPOCK:

Originally posted by Ninja Zyborg:

"I don't like the hardest gamemode because it makes the game impossible to cheese with powers and instas"

Hmm... I've read through my post twice. Still can't find where I wrote that.

Originally posted by CaptainPOCK:

I've been tapping into the realm of CHIMPS recently and personally found this game mode to be excruciating and really takes away the progression the game offers you.

sorry if I summarized your stance too well

[CaptainPOCK]

No, but what is obvious though is the lack of understanding that people put into things. Considering that people either only read half of the things which are being written, pull context from text that wasn't said in the first place or only read what they want to read.

Here is the thing. All I said was this mode has very little things going for it in comparison to how difficult it is. I mean it has been said here many times, hasn't it? This mode is supposed to be very difficult and should challenge people. Whether the challenge is fair or not, let's ignore that for a moment. This mode has basically nothing which would drive me to get it. I get some monkey money which I already have a lot of and stacks up. Nice to have on reserve for future skins and heroes, but that's about it.

Things like Odysseys get rewarded with trophies. Things you can't buy with real money. Which in turn unlock stuff in the trophy shop. So... why not add something similar for CHIMPS? Give people some amazing, next-tier skins. Some special game changers. Something that people want, other than a golden/black border around a map. Almost no one is going to see that. But if you go into a multiplayer match and you suddenly pull out some amazing skin for your hero, that you can only obtain in CHIMPS, people are going to be like... "Damn, I want that too"

Nothing. Instead, we have a semi-unfair mode which is basically a downgrade of the base-game, which gives little to nothing.

[Luminy]

Chimps is just like a better version of half cash, ♥♥♥♥ half cash.

[Evilsod]

Originally posted by CaptainPOCK:

No, but what is obvious though is the lack of understanding that people put into things

Um... if you aren't trolling, your lack of self awareness is quite impressive.

Not liking it is up to you. But you seem to be expecting people to not disagree with your comments when your OP made it very clear you don't understand what CHIMPS is or how it fits into the game.
You also don't know the game enough at all, otherwise you'd realise how wrong some of your statements are.

[CaptainPOCK]

Then let me re-statement my point if that would make it a better basis for you. On fourth reading the starting post wasn't that well worded.

Better to ask would be: Where is the appeal?

Afterall this game mode is basically "cut the amount of available strategies by a factor of 1000" and turns the sandbox-y game with lots of areas to explore to a "find the best possible basis for going through hell" - Because even without the extra income, the lack of monkey knowledge cuts the available strategies by a lot.

At least I can't imagine there are a lot of viable options and towers (+ upgrades) that would work in this mode. Since a lot of towers already fail to pass the first few waves without letting one through.

[Ninja Zyborg]

Originally posted by CaptainPOCK:

Then let me re-statement my point if that would make it a better basis for you. On fourth reading the starting post wasn't that well worded.

Better to ask would be: Where is the appeal?

Afterall this game mode is basically "cut the amount of available strategies by a factor of 1000" and turns the sandbox-y game with lots of areas to explore to a "find the best possible basis for going through hell" - Because even without the extra income, the lack of monkey knowledge cuts the available strategies by a lot.

At least I can't imagine there are a lot of viable options and towers (+ upgrades) that would work in this mode. Since a lot of towers already fail to pass the first few waves without letting one through.

there are still a LOT of strategies that work on chimps, though you have less that work on the harder maps (like every other gamemode...)

just as one example, there's over 100 2 tower CHIMPS combos at the moment.

[Spookypizza]

Originally posted by CaptainPOCK:

Originally posted by Ninja Zyborg:

"I don't like the hardest gamemode because it makes the game impossible to cheese with powers and instas"

Hmm... I've read through my post twice. Still can't find where I wrote that.

Originally posted by Creep Gnome:

Not really. I can see its value as a "pure" (no instas no knowledge etc) challenge, but disabling farming and locking you in at one life makes it generally unenjoyable.

That is pretty much my stance towards the mode. If it was the base game without knowledge, without insta monkeys and without powers, I could see how this game mode would be good. But disabling core features makes the game mode kinda redundant. Might as well add half-cash mode into it as well and offer it as another separate game mode. Some guy will probably find a way to tediously beat that new mode then. Call it "CHIMPS plus".

Originally posted by RainWing_YT:

the whole point of it is to be hard. If you could farm, it would just be normal hard mode. Who even sells tower when not in a boss event?

I don't really mind the hard part of this game mode. But it's basically the base game without anything, minus some core features, and not even rewarding in a way. At least I don't see a reason why I should play them. If it gave like twice the Monkey money than impoppable, I'd see an appeal. Or getting some tokens which can be exchanged for some exclusive items which would give the mode itself a good reason to be played.

But right now it's just an unrewarding mess.

The reward is the achievements? Completing 5 chimps maps or 15, or even 1 for the first time gives you a lot of money and even some monkey knowledge points, which is useful for people who are just starting to get into the expert maps. You can easily do a couple of chimps maps by watching tutorials on YT, and if you know what you're doing... it's fun! i got 2 black medal chimps on 2 levels i did with my OWN chimps strat...

[Spookypizza]

Originally posted by Tymon:

I personally dislike it simply because it generally goes 'You know all those knowledge points you spent weeks leveling up to unlock? THEY DO NOT WORK'
That, and I suppose the fact that it renders an entire hero and a bunch of actual monkey paths/abilities useless. Like, supply drop is now useless, jungle's bounty is useless, lead to gold and rubber to gold alchemist path is useless, and so on. Plus the 1 life makes a lot of other monkey abilities useless, like the elite defender's 'revenge' as well as bomb blitz. The lack of farming makes it generally slower pace to me. So it is more tedious than challenging to me.

elite defender isn't a good upgrade because of how risky it is when you get it late game to lose a life. by the time you get that, you probably already have ceramic bloons.

[Ninja Zyborg]

Originally posted by Spookypizza:

Originally posted by Tymon:

I personally dislike it simply because it generally goes 'You know all those knowledge points you spent weeks leveling up to unlock? THEY DO NOT WORK'
That, and I suppose the fact that it renders an entire hero and a bunch of actual monkey paths/abilities useless. Like, supply drop is now useless, jungle's bounty is useless, lead to gold and rubber to gold alchemist path is useless, and so on. Plus the 1 life makes a lot of other monkey abilities useless, like the elite defender's 'revenge' as well as bomb blitz. The lack of farming makes it generally slower pace to me. So it is more tedious than challenging to me.

elite defender isn't a good upgrade because of how risky it is when you get it late game to lose a life. by the time you get that, you probably already have ceramic bloons.

why on earth would you use elite defender for the ability

[Tymon]

Originally posted by Spookypizza:

elite defender isn't a good upgrade because of how risky it is when you get it late game to lose a life. by the time you get that, you probably already have ceramic bloons.

I agree, it was simply an example of abilities that do not work due to being locked at 1 life. Heart of Vengeance for druid is another one of them. However, elite defender is still a definite upgrade to regular full auto since it gets faster attack speed the further along the track that bloons are as well as the increased MOAB damage.

[P1necone]

depends on the map