The 5xx Ice Monkey is the WORST Tier 5 Monkey in the game and maybe needs a buff

[Darth Porgus]

First of all, the damage increase for moabs isn't huge at all. For its price you can get better monkeys than him.
Should this monkey get a buff? If the Devs want it to be more balanced, yes, in my opinion.
What do you think? Have you ever tried that monkey in a normal round? Or have you tested him?

[eris]

I've used Super Brittle, and it actually does really well. Combine it with a Tack Zone and watch the carnage. A tack zone with +4 damage per tack is ridiculous. Avatar of Wrath also benefits from this tower quite a lot. Super Brittle doesn't combo with everything, like already high pop power towers.

[daikunshuu]

it is a very situational tower. With towers that have a lot of projectiles this tower is a beast, otherwise it's kinda meh.

A range buff would be greatly appreciated because base range is really low

Or maybe even something like 5th tier top path Tack shooter where it has a global projectile

[prankenstin the 2nd]

for the worse i have to go with 050 dart,just why would someone ever use that

[Nivlache]

I always really liked 4xx Ice tower, with 520 it can be amazing in o and L shaped roads mixed with other towers but it's one of the few tier 5 towers which are very situational.

[Darth Porgus]

Origineel geplaatst door daikunshuu:

it is a very situational tower. With towers that have a lot of projectiles this tower is a beast, otherwise it's kinda meh.

A range buff would be greatly appreciated because base range is really low

Or maybe even something like 5th tier top path Tack shooter where it has a global projectile

Its not worth its prize. You can get way better monkeys than this.

[Darth Porgus]

Origineel geplaatst door prankenstin the 2nd:

for the worse i have to go with 050 dart,just why would someone ever use that

Its usable when you do a dartmonkey only challenge, but besids that it isn't that good.

[Eudicots]

Origineel geplaatst door prankenstin the 2nd:

for the worse i have to go with 050 dart,just why would someone ever use that

I agree this is by far the worse especially when compared to the other tier 5 dart options.

[Smokey]

My comment to this!
Alone we fall but united we stand..

(Dart monkey + Pirate trade ship in a nutshell ;)

edit: wish NK instead would try focus on buffing wizard's 005 path
which as the weakest of all these units/paths

[HoBoMiKe]

like previous incarnations of the game, the ice tower is unable to do anything useful because of it's slow fire rate and low range. it can't even attack camos without assistance.


it's ONLY USEFUL on maps that have a small, tight bend that the tower can fit inside of. in addition, the freeze effect prevents you from popping bloons further most of the time, something glue doesn't do.


i was incredibly disappointed to discover the tower had not only not been buffed since BTD5, but had been nerfed. it literally misses yellow bloons or higher most of the time.

the tier 3 upgrades are too expensive to be used as a breakout tower for early levels, and by the time you have enough money to get any tier 4 upgrades you have something better, or could have used a glue gunner.


the tower just needs a much faster fire rate and longer base range. like faster than a tack tower. it already prevents you from popping with sharps, it's not like it would be OP.

[Darth Porgus]

Origineel geplaatst door HoBoMiKe:

like previous incarnations of the game, the ice tower is unable to do anything useful because of it's slow fire rate and low range. it can't even attack camos without assistance.


it's ONLY USEFUL on maps that have a small, tight bend that the tower can fit inside of. in addition, the freeze effect prevents you from popping bloons further most of the time, something glue doesn't do.


i was incredibly disappointed to discover the tower had not only not been buffed since BTD5, but had been nerfed. it literally misses yellow bloons or higher most of the time.

the tier 3 upgrades are too expensive to be used as a breakout tower for early levels, and by the time you have enough money to get any tier 4 upgrades you have something better, or could have used a glue gunner.


the tower just needs a much faster fire rate and longer base range. like faster than a tack tower. it already prevents you from popping with sharps, it's not like it would be OP.

I agree

[eris]

Origineel geplaatst door HoBoMiKe:

like previous incarnations of the game, the ice tower is unable to do anything useful because of it's slow fire rate and low range. it can't even attack camos without assistance.

4-0-0 Ice Monkey can detect camos and strips camo and regrow properties.

[treehugger]

A 025 Ice monkey with a Village supplying MIB is excellent for slowing down DDTs. Backed up with at least a 024 Boomerang monkey and a 023 Glue monkey, it really causes the bloons some grief.
If you're feeling rich, build up to a 025 Ice, 025 Boomerang, a 025 Glue and throw in a 520 Village as well, and it's like shooting er, balloons in a barrel

[HoBoMiKe]

Origineel geplaatst door mactera:

Origineel geplaatst door HoBoMiKe:

like previous incarnations of the game, the ice tower is unable to do anything useful because of it's slow fire rate and low range. it can't even attack camos without assistance.

4-0-0 Ice Monkey can detect camos and strips camo and regrow properties.

by the time you can buy that you've already lost the game or committed to another tower because it's range is comparable to a bloonberry bush

[WebBowser]

y'know, 0-1-2 ice monkeys are really good as a cheap fix for leaked ceramics. They can also be used to stagger out tightly packed ceramic rounds, reducing the pressure on the rest of your defenses.

As for bad tier 5s, I would like to submit the 5-X-X druid. It's far too expensive to afford pre-100, and it's BAD damage is so pitiful that it's not all that useful in post 100.

5-X-X ice tower at least has a few niches, and is cheap enough that you can realistically afford one in a game. 5-X-X druid has no such niche.

Also ice monkeys are pretty solid in races, so there's that.

If I were to change anything about top path ice monkey, I would give embrittlement a small buff to range and pierce, and super brittle a very significant pierce buff. That's about it though, ice monkey is largely fine as is.

[Bad Aim Bodyshot Barry]

in terms of bad tier 5 towers super brittle aint really up there, compare it to ultra jug, superstorm, XXXL trap, Paragon, moab dom, and several others... its mid tier and ALOT of other stuff is worse (also ultra jug is good on like 2 maps, one needs planning in the form of NOT removing stuff, moab dom is still trash but less so and your way better off getting more kyles than it)

oh and 012 ice is good, so is 025 if thats your thing, although id rather get prime, AOW or GMN