I don't understand people who don't upgrade their computers...

[Malekith]

The cost of getting a well specced computer has dropped considerably over the last several years. If you haven't upgraded at all during this period and you've still been buying games, then it begs the question, did you think newer games would never require higher specs? There is only so much optimisation devs can do and already, they have rebuilt the codebase from scratch by the sounds of it too with a lot of optimisations already. They've done their job, now do yours and buy some new hardware or accept that you will be relegated to just buying a few indie games for the rest of your life.

The MINIMUM SPECS to run this game is a mid to high end computer from 2014 and 2015 respectively. That's over 7-8 years ago...

IF you have anything newer than that, you'll be able to run it, just not on the highest settings. Now considering the game should be receiving years of support and will be continually played for years to come, then were you not going to consider upgrading your computer at any point during that time frame? Not to mention, performance will increase with the most recent releases of hardware as has been the case with the vast majority of games for the last 30 years almost.

[Creamy P1e Skwert]

General T.Montana Tropic Thunder a écrit :

The point is that the end game is lagging on the latest hardware.

it was in beta clown.

[arthurlewis]

We all have to upgrade sometime or we would all be running on Commodore 64's and Spectrums (I did have an Amiga 500!) :)

But more seriously, I do want CS2 to push the envelope a bit as, if going to be around for 8 years like CS1, it needs to a bit cutting edge now

[Creamy P1e Skwert]

Malekith a écrit :

Bruno a écrit :

oO

Last summer it costed me almost 3000$ CDN to build a PC with a RTX 4070 Ti, a i7 12700k and 32 GB DDR5 RAM. A similar setup would have cost at most 2000$ CDN just a few years ago.

PC gaming is getting less and less affordable, that's why consoles are always increasing in popularity. My next PC will be a PlayStation 6 with a nice OLED TV.

Dude, your computer is like 3 times as powerful as a console. And you didn't say what additional things you bought.

SSD? PSU? what brands and motherboards specifically too as the price variation is huge. My PSU is like 5x the price of a normal ome because it's a 750w sfx modular.

I literally priced up a high specced machine for less than that for someone recently.

If you haven't been upgrading regularly, then buying a whole new mid to high end machine will cost £1-1.5k... but that's still far superior to a console.

Says the guy who can't even afford this game. How come you didn't buy it? pre-ordering now won't affect the release

[VoiD]

Bruno a écrit :

Malekith a écrit :

The cost of getting a well specced computer has dropped considerably over the last several years.

oO

Last summer it costed me almost 3000$ CDN to build a PC with a RTX 4070 Ti, a i7 12700k and 32 GB DDR5 RAM. The equivalent setup a few years ago would have cost at most 2000$ CDN.

PC gaming is getting less and less affordable, that's why consoles are always increasing in popularity. My next PC will be a PlayStation 6 with a nice OLED TV.

For comparison's sake, your video card alone would cost me R$6k today, and a complete gaming PC should total around R$15k to R$20k.

The minimum wage in Brazil currently stands at R$1421 per month, and most people earn salaries not far from this amount. An article from the BBC in 2021 stated that over 90% of the country's population earns less than R$3.5k per month.

So, building a gaming PC becomes a project that spans a decade or more for many people. It's essential to acknowledge that there are numerous countries facing even more challenging economic circumstances than Brazil.

Edit: Oh, let's not forget we're also paying +100% of the base cost in taxes for every PC part.

[Peno11]

I've built new PC two years ago. Without GPU at that time, since you know the state of graphics market. Ryzen 5 5600X, 32 GB RAM, 500 GB PCIe 3 NVME SSD. Over time, I've also added another 1 GB SSD, better cooler and graphics card, RTX 3050, currently. Yes, the same components would be cheaper nowadays, but if I wanted similar current gen components, be it AMD or Intel, I would've paid a lot more than what I paid even in that bad year of 2021, when chip shortage was at its worst. The only things I would've able to get cheaper now than when I got them are SSDs. So, either you are, purposely, lying about PCs getting cheaper, or you live in the rare country where that may be true. Either way, I see raising prices of CPUs from both Intel and AMD, motherboards and GPUs, once again from both NVidia and AMD. So, building new powerful gaming PC is now more expensive than it ever was before. Heck, even building mid-range PC, which is what I did, is more expensive!
And secondly, when I got my previous PC in 2013, with graphics card added in 2014, it lasted me for 8 years. Yes, in latest years, I had to lower graphics, but it still worked for many titles. I was hoping for the same lifespan for my new rig, but I am already bellow recommanded for this game and we are only two years after I've bought my PC. So, I have to ask why? Two years after I've bought my previous PC, I was still way above recommanded for almost all games released that year. This year, though, I am barely above, and in some cases, like here, even bellow, recommanded requirements for many games. Why? Why gaming industry is doing this? Especially in times when gaming PCs are so expensive and everything else, including electricity, too. Why should we upgrade every second generation when that was never needed in past and you could keep your PC for at least four generations without issues. Why, am I asking?

[Cylun]

Peno11 a écrit :

I've built new PC two years ago. Without GPU at that time, since you know the state of graphics market. Ryzen 5 5600X, 32 GB RAM, 500 GB PCIe 3 NVME SSD. Over time, I've also added another 1 GB SSD, better cooler and graphics card, RTX 3050, currently. Yes, the same components would be cheaper nowadays, but if I wanted similar current gen components, be it AMD or Intel, I would've paid a lot more than what I paid even in that bad year of 2021, when chip shortage was at its worst. The only things I would've able to get cheaper now than when I got them are SSDs. So, either you are, purposely, lying about PCs getting cheaper, or you live in the rare country where that may be true. Either way, I see raising prices of CPUs from both Intel and AMD, motherboards and GPUs, once again from both NVidia and AMD. So, building new powerful gaming PC is now more expensive than it ever was before. Heck, even building mid-range PC, which is what I did, is more expensive!
And secondly, when I got my previous PC in 2013, with graphics card added in 2014, it lasted me for 8 years. Yes, in latest years, I had to lower graphics, but it still worked for many titles. I was hoping for the same lifespan for my new rig, but I am already bellow recommanded for this game and we are only two years after I've bought my PC. So, I have to ask why? Two years after I've bought my previous PC, I was still way above recommanded for almost all games released that year. This year, though, I am barely above, and in some cases, like here, even bellow, recommanded requirements for many games. Why? Why gaming industry is doing this? Especially in times when gaming PCs are so expensive and everything else, including electricity, too. Why should we upgrade every second generation when that was never needed in past and you could keep your PC for at least four generations without issues. Why, am I asking?

Is the current minimum visually worse than the recommended level 8 years ago, we have to ask. I don't know the answer. It depends on how well the games are optimized and how well engines scale on hardware. Unity has never been known to be an efficient engine that scales well.

[guyerg]

Peno11 a écrit :

I've built new PC two years ago. Without GPU at that time, since you know the state of graphics market. Ryzen 5 5600X, 32 GB RAM, 500 GB PCIe 3 NVME SSD. Over time, I've also added another 1 GB SSD, better cooler and graphics card, RTX 3050, currently. Yes, the same components would be cheaper nowadays, but if I wanted similar current gen components, be it AMD or Intel, I would've paid a lot more than what I paid even in that bad year of 2021, when chip shortage was at its worst. The only things I would've able to get cheaper now than when I got them are SSDs. So, either you are, purposely, lying about PCs getting cheaper, or you live in the rare country where that may be true. Either way, I see raising prices of CPUs from both Intel and AMD, motherboards and GPUs, once again from both NVidia and AMD. So, building new powerful gaming PC is now more expensive than it ever was before. Heck, even building mid-range PC, which is what I did, is more expensive!
And secondly, when I got my previous PC in 2013, with graphics card added in 2014, it lasted me for 8 years. Yes, in latest years, I had to lower graphics, but it still worked for many titles. I was hoping for the same lifespan for my new rig, but I am already bellow recommanded for this game and we are only two years after I've bought my PC. So, I have to ask why? Two years after I've bought my previous PC, I was still way above recommanded for almost all games released that year. This year, though, I am barely above, and in some cases, like here, even bellow, recommanded requirements for many games. Why? Why gaming industry is doing this? Especially in times when gaming PCs are so expensive and everything else, including electricity, too. Why should we upgrade every second generation when that was never needed in past and you could keep your PC for at least four generations without issues. Why, am I asking?

I think the reason is because over the last few years their has been a spike in performance in the next generation of technology. Rather the increase in performance from one generation to the next in the last few years has been exponentially greater than it was in the previous 10 years before the end of 2020 and beginning of 2021 when the 30 series came out.

The 30 series jump was the first time in a long time that the performance was so much better than the previous series that those in the 20 series even jumped at that time. It used to be that if you had a top tier card in the previous series that your card would last a few years because it would be just as good or still better than the next couple generations mid to lower range cards. However, when the 30 series cards came out even the lower tier cards like 3060ti and strait up 3070 would out perform the 2080s. This trend continued with the 40 series cards thoe not as exponential as the 20 to 30 series cards it was still a huge leap. If this trend continues with the 50 series cards you can expect that the 30 series cards will be the new minimum specks in a few short years. And gamers who can afford those cards are going to expect that the game makers make games that utilize them. So we can only hope that this exponential growth in performance will slow so that you don't have to upgrade every 2 to 3 years. My mark has always been saving to up grade every 5 years.

[ceton27]

I was just looking at the efficiency core CPUs with the MOBO with the DDR5 RAM clocking at 6000 mhz and know that top pc specs have not gone down but parts that would be last gen if it was a console have. It kinda pointless to get the older parts when the new stuff burns it alive as some people may risk 50 bucks on a game than a AMD Ryzen™ 9 7900X with the new AM5 socket or the Intel Core i9-12900K that needs half of the parts upgraded with it.

It just wasting money atm and better waiting till this newer tech drop in cost if people don't have it than looking down on everyone

[Peno11]

guyerg a écrit :

I think the reason is because over the last few years their has been a spike in performance in the next generation of technology. Rather the increase in performance from one generation to the next in the last few years has been exponentially greater than it was in the previous 10 years before the end of 2020 and beginning of 2021 when the 30 series came out.

The 30 series jump was the first time in a long time that the performance was so much better than the previous series that those in the 20 series even jumped at that time. It used to be that if you had a top tier card in the previous series that your card would last a few years because it would be just as good or still better than the next couple generations mid to lower range cards. However, when the 30 series cards came out even the lower tier cards like 3060ti and strait up 3070 would out perform the 2080s. This trend continued with the 40 series cards thoe not as exponential as the 20 to 30 series cards it was still a huge leap. If this trend continues with the 50 series cards you can expect that the 30 series cards will be the new minimum specks in a few short years. And gamers who can afford those cards are going to expect that the game makers make games that utilize them. So we can only hope that this exponential growth in performance will slow so that you don't have to upgrade every 2 to 3 years. My mark has always been saving to up grade every 5 years.

Growth in 40 series? Maybe with 4090, possibly 4080. But everything bellow was so disappointing that it got so many bad reviews about how it barely outperforms their predecessors. Especially with 4060 and 4060 Ti, which, at some cases, couldn't outperform even 2070. So, yeah, 30 series was great performance peak (and headache for AMD LOL), but 40 series is more like power consumption optimization than anything else. That was needed, mind you, since if there is any complaint to 30 series, it is the high power consumption. But that doesn't bode well for future, mind you.

[Bruno]

VoiD a écrit :

Bruno a écrit :

oO

Last summer it costed me almost 3000$ CDN to build a PC with a RTX 4070 Ti, a i7 12700k and 32 GB DDR5 RAM. The equivalent setup a few years ago would have cost at most 2000$ CDN.

PC gaming is getting less and less affordable, that's why consoles are always increasing in popularity. My next PC will be a PlayStation 6 with a nice OLED TV.

For comparison's sake, your video card alone would cost me R$6k today, and a complete gaming PC should total around R$15k to R$20k.

The minimum wage in Brazil currently stands at R$1421 per month, and most people earn salaries not far from this amount. An article from the BBC in 2021 stated that over 90% of the country's population earns less than R$3.5k per month.

So, building a gaming PC becomes a project that spans a decade or more for many people. It's essential to acknowledge that there are numerous countries facing even more challenging economic circumstances than Brazil.

Edit: Oh, let's not forget we're also paying +100% of the base cost in taxes for every PC part.

It's insanely expensive in your country. How much cost a PS6?

[kilésengati]

The world's economy is in shambles.

[VoiD]

Bruno a écrit :

VoiD a écrit :

For comparison's sake, your video card alone would cost me R$6k today, and a complete gaming PC should total around R$15k to R$20k.

The minimum wage in Brazil currently stands at R$1421 per month, and most people earn salaries not far from this amount. An article from the BBC in 2021 stated that over 90% of the country's population earns less than R$3.5k per month.

So, building a gaming PC becomes a project that spans a decade or more for many people. It's essential to acknowledge that there are numerous countries facing even more challenging economic circumstances than Brazil.

Edit: Oh, let's not forget we're also paying +100% of the base cost in taxes for every PC part.

It's insanely expensive in your country. How much cost a PS6?

No idea, couldn't find any results for it, PS5 seem to be around R$5k

[AgeOfBacon]

Malekith a écrit :

The cost of getting a well specced computer has dropped considerably over the last several years. If you haven't upgraded at all during this period and you've still been buying games, then it begs the question, did you think newer games would never require higher specs? There is only so much optimisation devs can do and already, they have rebuilt the codebase from scratch by the sounds of it too with a lot of optimisations already. They've done their job, now do yours and buy some new hardware or accept that you will be relegated to just buying a few indie games for the rest of your life.

The MINIMUM SPECS to run this game is a mid to high end computer from 2014 and 2015 respectively. That's over 7-8 years ago...

IF you have anything newer than that, you'll be able to run it, just not on the highest settings. Now considering the game should be receiving years of support and will be continually played for years to come, then were you not going to consider upgrading your computer at any point during that time frame? Not to mention, performance will increase with the most recent releases of hardware as has been the case with the vast majority of games for the last 30 years almost.

Well, if you have enough money for that, you can pay for my upgrade too.

[guyerg]

Peno11 a écrit :

guyerg a écrit :

I think the reason is because over the last few years their has been a spike in performance in the next generation of technology. Rather the increase in performance from one generation to the next in the last few years has been exponentially greater than it was in the previous 10 years before the end of 2020 and beginning of 2021 when the 30 series came out.

The 30 series jump was the first time in a long time that the performance was so much better than the previous series that those in the 20 series even jumped at that time. It used to be that if you had a top tier card in the previous series that your card would last a few years because it would be just as good or still better than the next couple generations mid to lower range cards. However, when the 30 series cards came out even the lower tier cards like 3060ti and strait up 3070 would out perform the 2080s. This trend continued with the 40 series cards thoe not as exponential as the 20 to 30 series cards it was still a huge leap. If this trend continues with the 50 series cards you can expect that the 30 series cards will be the new minimum specks in a few short years. And gamers who can afford those cards are going to expect that the game makers make games that utilize them. So we can only hope that this exponential growth in performance will slow so that you don't have to upgrade every 2 to 3 years. My mark has always been saving to up grade every 5 years.

Growth in 40 series? Maybe with 4090, possibly 4080. But everything bellow was so disappointing that it got so many bad reviews about how it barely outperforms their predecessors. Especially with 4060 and 4060 Ti, which, at some cases, couldn't outperform even 2070. So, yeah, 30 series was great performance peak (and headache for AMD LOL), but 40 series is more like power consumption optimization than anything else. That was needed, mind you, since if there is any complaint to 30 series, it is the high power consumption. But that doesn't bode well for future, mind you.

Yes I was not clear in my posting I was meaning for the higher tier of cards 3080 vs 4080 and 3090 vs 4090. I will be honest don't know much about the lower tier of cards because I try to stay in the higher tier so that they don't need to be upgraded as often. I did know that the 30 series even the lower tier cards we massively better than the pervious series and were even out performing some of the mid range cards from the previous series and were close in performance to the higher tier cards.

But they did have significant jumps in specs specifically the amount of memory and bus speed. I suspect the next tier will do the same especially on the memory side speculations are it will move from GDDR6 to GDDR7. And the 50 series is predicted to be another huge jump in performance. I Just hope that that jump does not cause a shortage like what happened in 2021 with the 30series.

[dan0812]

Malekith a écrit :

The cost of getting a well specced computer has dropped considerably over the last several years.

The recommended GPU for this game costs the same as a mid-range PC a couple of years ago. Not sure what prices you're following.