A growing trend

[Mezza]

I've been an early backer to some of the most successful games over the last few years.
but I have noticed a trend where sequel games being developed have been riding a wave of hype with very little footage or news on progress whilst selling pre-orders at full price.

now i can name a space game and a city builder who's sequel have dropped the ball and i would like to show my support when its done or at least traveling in the right direction

business 101:
make something worth having collect profits.
not
estimate earnings and throw something together.

[Big Poppa]

Prison architect 2 will be out in a month. Lol.

[𝓕𝔁]

Originally posted by Mezza:

I've been an early backer to some of the most successful games over the last few years.
but I have noticed a trend where sequel games being developed have been riding a wave of hype with very little footage or news on progress whilst selling pre-orders at full price.

now i can name a space game and a city builder who's sequel have dropped the ball and i would like to show my support when its done or at least traveling in the right direction

business 101:
make something worth having collect profits.
not
estimate earnings and throw something together.

Don't forget, CS2 gave developer diary updates that "cherry picked" scenes and paid or did deals with influencers to promote it, but only to a limit, so they could hide all the cracks and only make them known once it was released. It was the players fault for CS2's marketting team building the hype, but.. they won't get away with it twice.

[𝓕𝔁]

Originally posted by Big Poppa:

Prison architect 2 will be out in a month. Lol.

Yeah.. a cut down version, with "fancy" 3D ready to re-sell all the same DLC and previous features as new DLC , executions anyone!

[Moderate Misery]

Originally posted by Big Poppa:

Prison architect 2 will be out in a month. Lol.

Yeah definitely not pre ordering that one. Especially since PA1 is abandoned full of bugs

[Billy Lee]

Originally posted by Big Poppa:

Prison architect 2 will be out in a month. Lol.

I had a great time in the first one, even with bugs, but there's no way I would buy anything from pdx

[Slim]

I have the experience of getting to chat with devs of one of my favorite franchises due to them frequenting a pub that I've been to. I'd also consider my experience in my field of work with what we had discussed about thiers. And seeing how this isn't limited to Paradox and its ilk I think what I saw is fair game.

It boils down to investment. Studios can't get the investment they need to build games from the ground up anymore and have been forced to jerryrig spaghetti code from one update to the next. Coupled with publishers unable to be parted with their money the way they use to due to most being public companies.

This withholding of funds also creates issues with being able acquire adequate talent within management to run these projects. A lot of these managers are over their heads when it comes to time dependant projects. While discussing this issue I am told, and this hits home in my field of work too, that senior personal (programmers) are often afforded the ability to be management as well. More often than not, this is not something they are capable with and I wonder if everything I've said so far is pretty much on par with how CO is operating.

Problem is some of the studios got too big for their own good and are now worse off for it.

[SumGumption]

Unfortunately, the whole world is just trying to make a major paycheck without offering anything substantial in return. I guess they think the world is coming to an end so it doesn’t matter. But what if it doesn’t end? It will for them. Trust me. Their world ends when they can’t collect any money.

[𝓕𝔁]

Originally posted by Big Poppa:

Prison architect 2 will be out in a month. Lol.

Delayed to May now probably a good move, tbh.

[Fred Lannel]

Originally posted by Fx.:

Originally posted by Big Poppa:

Prison architect 2 will be out in a month. Lol.

Delayed to May now probably a good move, tbh.

where did you hear that?
im not planning on buying it, im just enjoying the show

[𝓕𝔁]

Originally posted by Fred Lannel:

Originally posted by Fx.:

Delayed to May now probably a good move, tbh.

where did you hear that?
im not planning on buying it, im just enjoying the show

Straight from the horses mouth.
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/prison-architect-2-new-date-of-release.1624814/

[Ith]

Yeah, the problem is I should not have bought it, and should have refunded it immediately after seeing the state and trying to play. So that's my fault at this point. Have they burned a bridge with me? Yes, but honestly, this is Paradox's MO as a publisher though.

I have purchased most of their recent games and regretted it. Enough that I likely won't buy another one. They needed to release this one in the state they did to "make money" but that was a very short-sighted goal of them.

[Fred Lannel]

Originally posted by Fx.:

Originally posted by Fred Lannel:

where did you hear that?
im not planning on buying it, im just enjoying the show

Straight from the horses mouth.
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/prison-architect-2-new-date-of-release.1624814/

they havent updated on steam yet, im sure those who preorderd will be just giddy

[Knight Hospitaller]

Originally posted by Fx.:

Originally posted by Big Poppa:

Prison architect 2 will be out in a month. Lol.

Delayed to May now probably a good move, tbh.

Not pre-ordering, will wait a couple weeks and real players feedback. The 3D aspect entices me because of verticality. Loved the first one.

Looks like PDX do indeed learn from their mistakes. Delaying may signify the need for a more polished game (vs the mess of CS2) or at least they are trying to put some time between CS2 and PA2 to make some people forget the mess of Oct2024.

[Zero, Dark Knight]

Originally posted by Knight Hospitaller:

Not pre-ordering, will wait a couple weeks and real players feedback. The 3D aspect entices me because of verticality. Loved the first one.

Looks like PDX do indeed learn from their mistakes. Delaying may signify the need for a more polished game (vs the mess of CS2) or at least they are trying to put some time between CS2 and PA2 to make some people forget the mess of Oct2024.

yeah they learned a lot from: Battletech (Abandoned), Pris Arc 1 (buggy still), Lamplighters League, ST Infinite, Victoria 3, Imperator 3. and more.

They have so many games to learn from
I have so much hope because of all the lessons they've learned

Prison Architect 2 absolutely fills me with hope and I'm looking forward to seeing what happens over with that game, it's gonna be *amazing*.

[BSNB]

Originally posted by Big Poppa:

Prison architect 2 will be out in a month. Lol.

They locked comments for their events saying it is because of toxic people lol. Ie: people are calling them out for the art style, dlc milking, and they left PA1 a mess.